Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries? - Page 34 - Politics and Economics

Read the thread on sterilization. I'm not going to go further into here but it's very clear why I think that's a good idea and why I think it would help society.

Why offer patients $20,000? Why not save a few grand and give out bottles of Petrus instead?

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Originally Posted by Goodie

I'm actually not sure what you mean by subsidizing gambling. Please explain.

In the US all forms of income are taxed excepting a few kinds explicitly exempted. Ostensibly this is done to encourage the activity that is exempted (such as giving to charity). Colloquially this may be called a subsidy.

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Where did I say that more drugs, prostitution or discrimination would be better for society? I never said that. I said that having the freedom from the government to do those things would be better for society.

I misquoted you, sorry. You said "common good." What is the difference?

07-06-2012 , 02:22 PM

#828

Goodie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metaname2

Why offer patients $20,000? Why not save a few grand and give out bottles of Petrus instead?

In the US all forms of income are taxed excepting a few kinds explicitly exempted. Ostensibly this is done to encourage the activity that is exempted (such as giving to charity). Colloquially this may be called a subsidy.

I misquoted you, sorry. You said "common good." What is the difference?

If Petrus would have the same effect, sounds good to me.

I explained why I don't think gambling should be taxed. You disagree? I'd be curious why. Legitimately curious.

I don't know why you think there's a difference between common good and better for society. Not sure why you asked this question. I never said there was a difference.

07-06-2012 , 03:13 PM

#829

metaname2

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Originally Posted by Goodie

If Petrus would have the same effect, sounds good to me.

I can definitely get behind the Petrus for sterilization program. Am forwarding the proposal to Charlie Rangel's office as we speak.

I love this country!

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I explained why I don't think gambling should be taxed. You disagree? I'd be curious why. Legitimately curious.

Exempting gambling winnings would presumably cost a lot of revenue. And subsidizing gambling winners would fall pretty low on my list of priorities. Granted, I haven't won the lottery lately, but I would guess that I am not alone on this preference.

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I don't know why you think there's a difference between common good and better for society. Not sure why you asked this question. I never said there was a difference.

Neither did I.

07-06-2012 , 03:16 PM

#830

owesley

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Originally Posted by metaname2

This strikes me as a weird idea. Justification?

1000 people go play a poker tournament for $10000 each that they made doing whatever and already paid income tax on. Most of the money is paid out to a few individuals who will be in the top tax bracket. The casino spreading the tournament is on,y raking 10%, why should the IRS get a 40% rake from this activity?

07-06-2012 , 03:18 PM

#831

Goodie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metaname2

I can definitely get behind the Petrus for sterilization program. Am forwarding the proposal to Charlie Rangel's office as we speak.

I love this country!

Exempting gambling winnings would presumably cost a lot of revenue. And subsidizing gambling winners would fall pretty low on my list of priorities. Granted, I haven't won the lottery lately, but I would guess that I am not alone on this preference.

Neither did I.

So, why did you ask the question?

In terms of priorities in this country, I think the non-taxation of gambling winnings fall pretty low on everyone's list, including my own. That's irrelevant to what we're talking about though.

07-06-2012 , 03:26 PM

#832

metaname2

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Originally Posted by owesley

1000 people go play a poker tournament for $10000 each

They get to deduct the $10000 when they win. I don't know anyone who has a problem with that, including me.

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that they made doing whatever and already paid income tax on.

You have no idea if they have paid income tax at all, and so what if they did? Here's an idea - don't play in a poker tournament.

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Most of the money is paid out to a few individuals who will be in the top tax bracket. The casino spreading the tournament is on,y raking 10%, why should the IRS get a 40% rake from this activity?

What does this have to do with anything?

07-06-2012 , 03:46 PM

#833

2/325Falcon

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HOW THE **** DID YOU TARDS MANAGE TO WRECK THE USA #1 THREAD? A REAL AMERICAN IS TELLING YOU TO SHUT THE **** UP. USA #1.

07-06-2012 , 03:53 PM

#834

Goodie

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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon

HOW THE **** DID YOU TARDS MANAGE TO WRECK THE USA #1 THREAD? A REAL AMERICAN IS TELLING YOU TO SHUT THE **** UP. USA #1.

I wreck every thread I'm in. It's kinda my thing.

07-06-2012 , 06:56 PM

#835

metaname2

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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon

HOW THE **** DID YOU TARDS MANAGE TO WRECK THE USA #1 THREAD? A REAL AMERICAN IS TELLING YOU TO SHUT THE **** UP. USA #1.

My apologies. I would troll this thread if only I could figure out how. I think I'm a little out of my league.

07-06-2012 , 07:00 PM

#836

DblBarrelJ

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Originally Posted by Goodie

I wreck every thread I'm in. It's kinda my thing.

At least he's honest about it.

07-06-2012 , 10:44 PM

#837

Goodie

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

At least he's honest about it.

Actually, this one's all on PVN. He came in here with the sole purpose of trolling me. I mean, I know he hates me but I sorta find it funny how obsessed he is with me. It's also a little creepy though. Kid has an unnatural fixation on me.

07-06-2012 , 10:50 PM

#838

Autocratic

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Why is it weird? I don't put it in the same bucket as income as you are risking your own money in which you earned and were already taxed on.

lol

07-06-2012 , 11:01 PM

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pvn

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yes, goodie. I am totally obsessesed with you, which is why i stalk you and post incessantly in every thread you post in.

oh wait, no, that's not at all what happens.

I mean I get that you have no other response once you tangle yourself up in your own contradictions, that's cool.

07-07-2012 , 02:56 AM

#840

AlexM

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Originally Posted by metaname2

I for one am interested in hearing more about Goodie's tax free gambling winnings initiative. Do you not believe in income taxes all together, or are you really think that gambling income deserves a special exemption?

I don't believe in income taxes in general, but in this case, I'll happily take the selfish special exemption and say, "hahahahahaha" to the rest of you.

07-07-2012 , 02:58 AM

#841

AlexM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

I think that professional poker players should have to pay taxes too. If it's your job, then you should have to pay taxes. Doesn't seem fair to get an exemption when that's your living.

So, no, it's not entirely an issue of risk. It's also an issue of recreation vs. your job.

Oh, hey, wtf. You're no longer my hero.

Though I guess I could make a sham corporation/job.

07-07-2012 , 03:07 AM

#842

AlexM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

I make my assessment on allowable freedoms based on what I think is better for the common good.

Listen, I know you have a really hard time saying you're wrong, everyone does. I know that you won't admit that you're wrong, few do. And I know that it REALLY irks you that you were actually wrong in a discussion with me.

But really, just say you were wrong and that you wanted to argue with me just for the sake of arguing with me.

It's enough already.

These types of errors bug me a lot when someone is telling someone they're wrong or dumb.

07-07-2012 , 09:55 AM

#843

pvn

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Oh wow, this is horrible, I missed this the first time. Why should gambling get special treatment here? Can I tell the feds that computer bull**** is my hobby and then avoid income tax on all of that activity? It's just how I blow off steam.