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Old 06-12-2012, 06:05 PM   #501
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

Also, what's all this nonsense about America not having its own food? We've got turkey and cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie, blueberry pie, clambakes, clam chowder, crabcakes, soul food, gumbo, jambalaya, many different regional BBQ styles, cornbread, chili, Tex-Mex, and so on. Sorry mate, but it blows the doors off English cooking.

And the "American beers suck" meme was true like twenty years ago, but nowadays you can find quality beer in any decent grocery store. Bells, Dogfish, Sierra Nevada, end of discussion.


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Old 06-12-2012, 06:23 PM   #502
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I have a sierra nevada summerfest on my desk right now, it's quite enjoyable.
 
Old 06-12-2012, 06:31 PM   #503
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

Ignorant fools on both sides. "American" (United States) food does indeed blow the socks off of English dogs vomit. But US beer is still nowhere as good as the English stuff despite the good stuff that is produced nowadays.

All this is pretty irrelevant though as both countries are rubbish.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:31 PM   #504
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:51 PM   #505
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

All I know is whenever I travel anywhere in the world, I see lots of places proudly displaying "cheeseburger" and "pizza". I never see "bangers and mash".
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:52 PM   #506
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And the "American beers suck" meme was true like twenty years ago, but nowadays you can find quality beer in any decent grocery store. Bells, Dogfish, Sierra Nevada, end of discussion.
Any amber at a random micro-brewery in Portland blows these away.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:01 PM   #507
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All I know is whenever I travel anywhere in the world, I see lots of places proudly displaying "cheeseburger" and "pizza". I never see "bangers and mash".
And pizza is an amerikan food
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Maybe there are. But you have to hunt for them. Whereas in England you can go into a pub and just pick a tap at random and it's going to be a good beer.
This is true.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:05 PM   #509
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

I never really got where the England has terrible food meme came from...

English pub food is actually pretty underrated

roast beef, london broil are pretty big here etc.

and Americans love the english breakfast

yorkshire puddings haven't caught on in America but they're delicious
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:08 PM   #510
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And pizza is an amerikan food
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Originally a food for the poor in eighteenth-century Naples, the pizza is a source of national and regional pride as well as cultural identity in Italy, Helstosky reveals. In the twentieth century, the pizza followed Italian immigrants to America, where it became the nation’s most popular dish and fueled the rise of successful fast-food corporations such as Pizza Hut and Domino’s. Along the way, Helstosky explains, pizza has been adapted to local cuisines and has become a metaphor for cultural exchange.
There wouldn't be 20 pizza places in Cuzco, Peru w/o the American re-invention and popularization of the dish. Most pizza you get around the world is NY-style (thicker crust, more cheese) rather than Neapolitan-style (super thin crust, not enough cheese to cover the pie).
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:15 PM   #511
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

No Italians brought it to you and you liked it. Pizza was popular here in Europe long before it. I haven't seen any Pizza Hut or Domino’s fastfood restaurants in my country(I don't belive they event exsist here) and we still like pizza....

Pizza (Italian pronunciation: [ˈpittsa], from the Latin verb pěnsere, to press) is Greek in origin. The Ancient Greeks covered their bread with oils, herbs and cheese. In Byzantine Greek, the word was spelled πίτα or pita, meaning pie. The word has now spread to Turkish as pide,[2] and Bulgarian, Croatian and Serbian as pita, Albanian as pite and Modern Hebrew pittāh.[3] The Romans developed placenta, a sheet of dough topped with cheese and honey and flavored with bay leaves. Modern pizza originated in Italy as the Neapolitan pie with tomato. In 1889, cheese was added.[4]

In 1889, during a visit to Naples, Queen Margherita of Italy was served a pizza resembling the colors of the Italian flag, red (tomato), white (mozzarella) and green (basil). This kind of pizza has been named after the Queen as Pizza Margherita


World isn't 300 years old you know......
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:21 PM   #512
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

Never once did I claim it was invented in the U.S. But I think it's pretty clear the popularity if pizza outside Europe is based on the US version, not the Neapolitan version. For that matter most of the pizza I've had in Europe outside if Italy is more like NY pizza than Neapolitan.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...invented-pizza

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So we need to start with some definitions. Shall we confine our attention to American pizza, now found throughout the world? If so, no problem--it was invented in America in the 1950s. That's probably not the answer you were looking for, although the New World did make possible pizza as we know it today.

Instead let's define modern pizza as the tasty conjunction of flat bread, tomato sauce, and cheese. Most food historians point to Naples as the area of origin, and to Napoletana, the pizza of Naples, as the archetype of this type of pizza.
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no way Ancient Greece had hot dog-stuffed crust pizza
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:35 PM   #514
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:36 PM   #515
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What's really astonishing about British food suckery is that they massacred/conquered tons of places with sweet food and didn't incorporate it. It's like the only thing they didn't steal.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:41 PM   #516
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What's really astonishing about British food suckery is that they massacred/conquered tons of places with sweet food and didn't incorporate it. It's like the only thing they didn't steal.
Not true. Indian food is very popular in the UK from what I've seen.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:46 PM   #517
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I have drunk loads of American "craft" beer in the attempt to taste one that did not taste like utter piss. It tastes exactly like you would expect from a bunch of culturally bankrupt man children with no heritage let loose in a brewery. Craft brew in America is an analogue of a failed 4th grade science project. It has no class, no depth and is just an amorphous mess.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:53 PM   #518
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Not true. Indian food is very popular in the UK from what I've seen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_i...Favourite_Dish
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:55 PM   #519
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

http://beeradvocate.com/lists/popular

Wow, look at all those English beers in the top 100!

(to be fair, I did not check the "warm, flat swill" list)
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As someone who likes FEP and Young's quite a bit, American microbrews have English beer beat pretty easily. The only country they fall to is Belgium imo.

I doubt many English person who hasn't been in the States for a decent amount of time is qualified to say otherwise, since the vast majority of American beer doesn't get exported.
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America really needs to get with the Belgium bar plan. Amazing food and amazing beer. Mussels, french fries and Chimay? mmmmmmm
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Wow, look at all those English beers in the top 100!

(to be fair, I did not check the "warm, flat swill" list)
Yeah, a list compiled by a bunch of American craft brewery enthusiasts isn't going to have a lot of British beer on it. lol that list absolutely proves my point. It's all IPAs and Imperial stouts. Of course a truly excellent Imperial Stout like Samuel Smith's Imperial Stout doesn't get on that list. It's only what, 7% alcohol? The "beers" on that list that are 14% alcohol are going to be a ****ing joke. It's not a ****ing beer if you can't get served three pints of it without ****ing dying.
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Yeah, a list compiled by a bunch of American craft brewery enthusiasts isn't going to have a lot of British beer on it.
weird that they don't have the same "bias" against Belgian, German or Canadian beers
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"Wow, this beer is 15% alcohol and 1395 IBUs!"

"That's how you know it's good!"
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weird that they don't have the same "bias" against Belgian, German or Canadian beers
I'm guessing most of those Belgian and German beers are high ABV dubble or triples. There's not going to be a lot of room for good English session milds or bitters in the tastes of people who thing that Bells (probably the second most overrated brewery in America) 10% ABV Hopslam (lol) ale is the 19th best beer in the world.
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