Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries? - Page 16 - Politics and Economics

I don't define "great" by the metrics that have been mentioned. I don't know how many times I can say it - Finland (I'm using Finland simply as an example) is not great. It may very well be a nice place to live, but "great"? Not even close.

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Please elaborate how it's not even close.

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06-07-2012 , 01:51 PM

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It took the Roman empire almost 600 years to implode from its apex.

The United States seems hell bent on accomplishing the same feat within three generations.

American success was based upon a simple algorithm of vast untapped resources and a steady influx of risk-taking, ambitious immigrants.

The resources have been tapped and the energetic immigrants have been replaced by the lady boy gamer generation that grew up in the bubble-wrapped suburbs.

In a recent test with 65 other countries, Americans scored 23rd in science and 31st in math. According to the latest national assessment, only 14% of high school seniors are proficient in American history.

How are these lazy losers going to compete against China, India, Israel, Germany and Russia?

Where are these China and India you speak of?

06-07-2012 , 01:59 PM

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Please elaborate how it's not even close.

You want me to elaborate why I don't view Denmark or Finland as a "great" country, but I do with the United States?

Sorry, no.

06-07-2012 , 02:27 PM

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You want me to elaborate why I don't view Denmark or Finland as a "great" country, but I do with the United States?

Sorry, no.

OK, but could you just assert it a few more times at least?

06-07-2012 , 03:43 PM

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since wil isnt going to do it, allow me to elaborate using his understanding of greatness

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Please elaborate how it's not even close.

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i talked to Finland the other day and she doesent believe what shes doing is right

06-07-2012 , 04:55 PM

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America is the name of a continent. United States of America is the name of a country.

On the WW2 stuff, they (USA) sided with Churchill and co cos they were gonna win. If the Germans were chip leaders they woulda bet on them. No biggie, just how it happened.

06-07-2012 , 07:06 PM

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I dunno, World War II?

You realize the US knew about the extermination of the Jews and the concentration camps for years before deciding to intervene, right?

This thread blows me away. Most Americans are ridiculous, irrational US-homers when they dont have to think about it. This thread explicitly points out how stupid that attitude is, how stupid anyone would have to be to just blindly assert their country was superior just because they happened to be born there. And most of the posters were intelligent enough to understand that, and temper their opinions accordingly...for about five minutes. Then the tards just couldnt help themselves and they started defending militarism and empire no matter the outcome.

Go Packers.

06-07-2012 , 07:22 PM

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You realize the US knew about the extermination of the Jews and the concentration camps for years before deciding to intervene, right?

Go Eagles.

Wait a second. You know that the US was in no mood to get into "their war", right? You know that there was general public sentiment against, right?

We being serious here?

06-07-2012 , 10:13 PM

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My point is simple. This thread is supposed to be about (broadly speaking) has America's influence on the world been positive or negative.

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Now the question of is America "better" than other countries is a little loaded, but I would say net, America has been a hugely positive influence on individual liberty world wide.

What? Huge goal post shift.

Anyone that thinks the US hasn't been a net positive on the world is as delusional as people who think the US is far and away the best country.

And I don't think there are many (any?) people claiming the US hasn't been a net positive ITT.

06-07-2012 , 10:13 PM

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Lame troll attempt. USA #1!

06-07-2012 , 10:48 PM

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You realize the US knew about the extermination of the Jews and the concentration camps for years before deciding to intervene, right?

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They did drag their feet. Then again, some similar propaganda was being used against minorities in the US at the same time. We go try and help the jews while telling Black people they aren't citizens and should be feared(greatly simplified).

That said, I'm glad the US went over there, but it certainly wasn't the US leading the charge. Rwanda was a great encore.

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06-07-2012 , 10:51 PM

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Not to mention that at the time we actively locked up Japanese-Americans.

06-07-2012 , 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

You want me to elaborate why I don't view Denmark or Finland as a "great" country, but I do with the United States?

Sorry, no.

One would think it'd be simple given your definitive statement.

I mean, if it's based solely just on you raising your fist and saying 'go 'merica!,' that's not really much thought. When you make a definitive statement saying other countries aren't great, yet can't elaborate, you look, well, really shallow in your thought process. Congrats.

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06-07-2012 , 11:24 PM

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Reminds me of this quote:

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When you have as much wealth and power as we do, you can be blind and self-righteous; you don't have to think about anything.

--Chomsky

Source.

06-08-2012 , 01:25 AM

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What? Huge goal post shift.

I mean honestly, the premise of the question is a little silly. I like America as much as the next guy, but I've lived in/visited Canada, France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, England and Austria for weeks/months at a time and I would be very happy living in any of those places. They are all thoroughly lovely places. I am sure there are others, too

06-08-2012 , 01:31 AM

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You realize the US knew about the extermination of the Jews and the concentration camps for years before deciding to intervene, right?

So.... in addition to being an anti Asian racist, every liberal's favorite president FDR was a confirmed anti-semite, too. Great!

06-08-2012 , 04:45 AM

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Are you crybabies still talking about how awesome it is for single mothers on welfare in Finswedeway or whereva? OOOOOOOOHHHHH FREE BUS PASSES AND FISH PASTE! Shut the **** up and think about which country is most likely to already have a secret military Moon base. USA #1.

06-08-2012 , 08:09 AM

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Of course the premise of the question is silly. That's what a bunch of us were saying. How has it taken you this long to realize that?

06-08-2012 , 08:16 AM

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+1, instead of the first to drop 2 nukes in a day, we would have been the first country to drop 2 nukes on 2 different continents in a day.

Just to nitpick but the US didn't drop 2 nukes in a day.

06-08-2012 , 11:13 AM

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A+

06-08-2012 , 12:05 PM

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Wait a second. You know that the US was in no mood to get into "their war", right? You know that there was general public sentiment against, right?

We being serious here?

Yes that is exactly my point. You are arguing against yourself. All of the things you just listed are synonyms for "don't see how that benefits us, no thanks"

06-08-2012 , 12:18 PM

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This.

Obviously America is the best country. Arguing how many orders of magnitude better than the others would make a more interesting thread imo.

06-08-2012 , 03:27 PM

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The USA has inferior potassium and is run by little girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwcfY0Ldf2Q

06-08-2012 , 06:18 PM

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how do you define best?

to me, america would be the best country in the world if i could do the following: play online poker, smoke weed legally without a medical card.

Honestly if those passed i would 100 pct call it best.

we have too many politicians holding us back right now to reach the best in the world. Not trying to be biased but honestly its republicans that hold us back on the issues i think would make the country better. Whatever.