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Old 06-02-2012, 11:03 PM   #251
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

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Most thinly veiled brag ever?
nah

ikes blew that out of the water with his "zomg my taxes on 300k that year really sucked" post or whatever it was.
 
Old 06-02-2012, 11:15 PM   #252
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No one else has any idea what Canada has to do with anything either. USA #1.
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Most thinly veiled brag ever?
The King in particular said the reason he chose us was the incredible level of care he heard people receive from the overnight pharmacist.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:05 AM   #254
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No one else has any idea what Canada has to do with anything either. USA #1.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:28 AM   #255
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

No, America is not better than other countries. It used to have a much higher standard of living compared to the rest of the world, but that has changed. In fact, America doesn’t exist anymore. It’s just the United States. America was an idea, and now it's dead and gone. The United States is just one of 200 awful nation-states that have spread across the face of the earth like a skin disease. There’s no longer any difference between the US and any other country.

Nationalism implies a loyalty to your fellow countrymen. I have no loyalty to them. My countrymen are a constant threat to my property and way of life. As G.B. Shaw correctly pointed out, patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. It's simply an accident of birth.

Now I know many of you will point to the U.S. still having a good standard of living, some freedoms, good jobs, etc. But that's changing. Just look at 1920s Germany. Germany was the most literate, civilized, and even mellow, in some ways, country in Europe. It was much admired all around the world – a nation of shopkeepers, small farmers, and scholars. But the whole character of the place started changing in 1933, and it just got worse and worse.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:37 AM   #256
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Um... you probably need to do some reading on Germany in the 1920s.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:19 AM   #257
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Um... you probably need to do some reading on Germany in the 1920s.
He might've missed it by a decade or so, but his point is still valid.

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Old 06-03-2012, 11:45 AM   #258
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Um... I probably need to do some reading on Germany in the 1920s.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:44 PM   #259
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It was much admired all around the world – a nation of shopkeepers, small farmers, and scholars. But the whole character of the place started changing in 1933, and it just got worse and worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties. It's not like Germany was the center of this. Nor were the attitudes of non-Germans toward Germany mainly admiration.

Edit: And of course the comparison to the modern US is ridiculous as well. USA #1! (In the Roaring 20s)
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:49 PM   #260
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Lol there were empires that lasted for 1000 of years and people ITT are saying that America is better and more powerfull than them , altho America has been somehow "important" country in the world only for the last 100 years..... and the tide is already changing.
American army vs Romans, Mongols and Macedonians combined. Do it!
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:57 PM   #261
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It's not about pretending some states don't exist, it's about making a comparison that makes sense. Comparing a country with 300 mil people to one with 10 mil is like comparing a 300k hand sample size to a 10k hand sample size.
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American army vs Romans, Mongols and Macedonians combined. Do it!
Comparing the US to other modern nations with fewer people is invalid, but comparing the US to empires hundreds or thousands of years ago is valid.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties. It's not like Germany was the center of this. Nor were the attitudes of non-Germans toward Germany mainly admiration.

Edit: And of course the comparison to the modern US is ridiculous as well. USA #1! (In the Roaring 20s)
Roaring twenties is a term pretty specific to the US. Not really surprising that the US was the center of that. The term for Europe is Golden Twenties and Berlin was arguably the center for it. I am not going to debate which was more golden or roaring, I am sure it were fun times in the USA, slurping virgin margaritas and all that.

Anyhow, I don't think that was the point Fermion was trying to make. And after reading your other points I think you know that.
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Comparing the US to other modern nations with fewer people is invalid, but comparing the US to empires hundreds or thousands of years ago is valid.
Do you somehow think that wasn't a joke???
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:07 PM   #264
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Lol.

First - maybe do some reading on demographics of the two countries.

Second - we had a female prime minister a few decades ago.

Third - His claim was that electing Obama was a sign of global leadership. I'm not sure what Canada has to do with anything.
Seems like you're milking the male goat on this one. You're not claiming that Canada is better than the America, but you're using Canada as an example of how America isn't better than other countries(?). How about this: The US had millions of acres of public land owned by ~308,000,000 taxpaying citizens, who owns the public land of Canada (I think it might be that sweet old lady on that tiny island on the other side of that one ocean but I'm not sure)?

And, for the record lolCanada!
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:51 PM   #265
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Do you somehow think that wasn't a joke???
Ditto. I thought my use of the smiley would make it clear that I wasn't serious...
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:01 PM   #266
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Seems like you're milking the male goat on this one. You're not claiming that Canada is better than the America, but you're using Canada as an example of how America isn't better than other countries(?).
What are you talking about? Some silly person claimed that the US electing Obama was some major global milestone of progressive thinking. But there are other examples of countries that have elected a female (Margaret Thatcher) or visible minority (Fujimoro in Peru) before Obama. I only mentioned Canada in this case because someone else did.

Edit: And the correct response would be to point out that Canada never really elected our Female Prime Minister since her party never won a general election when she was the head of the party.

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How about this: The US had millions of acres of public land owned by ~308,000,000 taxpaying citizens, who owns the public land of Canada (I think it might be that sweet old lady on that tiny island on the other side of that one ocean but I'm not sure)?
Lol at thinking theres actually a difference there. You keep holding on to that illusion.
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One of the best parts of USA #1 is getting to threaten Fermion's property and way of life on a daily basis. USA #1.
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:11 PM   #268
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No, America is not better than other countries. It used to have a much higher standard of living compared to the rest of the world, but that has changed. In fact, America doesnít exist anymore. Itís just the United States. America was an idea, and now it's dead and gone. The United States is just one of 200 awful nation-states that have spread across the face of the earth like a skin disease. Thereís no longer any difference between the US and any other country.
When was it "alive"?
 
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Ferm,

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USA #1.
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Name me one other country that could survive multiple George W Bush presidencies
This was very funny imo
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:51 PM   #271
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America has its pros and cons. You have to be realistic about things.

Right now, I am kind pissed at our government for certain things.

While sitting here in my room, I can't do the following because I live in Massachusetts.

Go to a casino (Foxwoods is 2 hours away)
Buy Bottle rockets (banned even in NH for some stupid reason)
play online poker (I can technically but not supposed to)
purchase MJ legally
Consume alcohol at the beach

Those are all things I as an adult would love to do but cannot legally.
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USA #1 by far

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70's were fun.....
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And America has the best healthcare, at least for those that can afford it. That's why the King of (middle East country) and the President of (American puppet state) are regular patients at my
hospital, along with several other mega-wealthy and heads of state.
Sigh...

That must be nice for kings, presidents, the mega-wealthy and heads of state, mustn't it? But what about the rest of us?

"Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system"
See: http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...65M0SU20100623

Where did you get the idea that healthcare in the U.S. wasn't awful? You realise in a few other countries it's free, right?

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As far as culture, technology, military, political, economic, intellectual metrics are considered?

Not even close. Who else had world-wide influence even close to the US right now? Largest empire was Britain, largest land empire was the Mongols, the Romans kicked butt for a long time, but I'd argue those empire didn't touch every part of the planet (Britain was close).

Granted, just from technology the world is a very different place than it was just 50 years ago, much less 500.

What continent on earth does the US not have vast influence on right now? (That the US actually wants to be part of). Just think of the influence in the middle east - and we're on the opposite side of the planet.
Sigh...

Kind of hard to make direct comparisons of "influence" between modern-day nations and civilisations hundreds and thousands of years ago, don't you think?

Like, if the Mongols and Romans lived in a time of mass communication with Internet, T.V. etc and had jets, bombers, and missiles that could be used to launch an attack on the other side of the globe within hours, they might have had even more influence? As opposed to communicating using hand-written notes carried personally by messangers and fighting wars with swords and spears.

You did acknowledge this crucial factor, but dismissed it so quickly and casually. Just like you somehow managed to dismiss healthcare, unemployment levels, quality of life, income per capita etc as unimportant factors in considering how good a country is.


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Old 06-04-2012, 12:27 AM   #275
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

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No, America is not better than other countries. It used to have a much higher standard of living compared to the rest of the world, but that has changed. In fact, America doesnít exist anymore. Itís just the United States. America was an idea, and now it's dead and gone. The United States is just one of 200 awful nation-states that have spread across the face of the earth like a skin disease. Thereís no longer any difference between the US and any other country.

Nationalism implies a loyalty to your fellow countrymen. I have no loyalty to them. My countrymen are a constant threat to my property and way of life. As G.B. Shaw correctly pointed out, patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. It's simply an accident of birth.

Now I know many of you will point to the U.S. still having a good standard of living, some freedoms, good jobs, etc. But that's changing. Just look at 1920s Germany. Germany was the most literate, civilized, and even mellow, in some ways, country in Europe. It was much admired all around the world Ė a nation of shopkeepers, small farmers, and scholars. But the whole character of the place started changing in 1933, and it just got worse and worse.
Yikes, why are you more scared now of your countrymen considering crime rates are continually decreasing in the USA.

Also, no Germany was a power house in Europe leading up to the twenties. They just two years prior fought three other nations at once and was doing extremely well. The punishments from the treaty of Versailles caused a lot of these problems. I don't think we're in a spot at all like the Germans in the twenties.
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