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Originally Posted by StoneNit
America is not some mystical perfect country. All countries are designed and comprised of humans and humans historically have shown to be anything but infallible. Winston Churchill once said something along the lines of "democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried" and in the spirit of that quote I think that while America is certainly not perfect it is the best country and government we have been able to form to date. America is a shining example of everything we can do right and should protect as a people, and at its core are fundamental rights and principles enshrined into law above all else.
So to answer the question, yes I do believe America is better than all other countries. Not because of some divine grace, not because we have the strongest military or largest economy, not because we have some perceived strength in a particular field, but rather because of the core fundamental principles and freedoms that America was conceived in and continue to (or at least try to) maintain. The United States of America was the first country to take many of the contemporary radical ideas of liberty from Enlightenment Period and base a country around them. We were the first modern Constitutional Republic and currently the oldest amoung other countries who predate our own by hundreds if not thousands of years.
In the end America is the land of opportunity and freedom and that is certainly something to be proud of. We have immigration problems because we have a country people are willing to risk their lives and break the law to enter. Our detractors may try to misrepresent certain facts and statistics on this issue or that out of spite or jealousy without proper context, but Americans generally have never cared what the talking mouths of western Europe have had to say. Any problems within America will be fixed within a manner that best suits the needs of our people, not to appease the socialist democracies of the West or the oppressive despots of the East. America has and always will stand for liberty, what is right, and the fundamental rights of mankind.
You write pretty well, but unfortunately you have not said anything of substance here.
You have used a lot of vague, self-serving phrases about how America is such a shining beacon for human rights and freedom, but how do you propose to reconcile all that with the following:
Domestically:- All U.S. citizens can be indefinitely detainted by the military, without access to a lawyer or a trial. If you don't know about the National Defence Authorization Act (NDAA), I suggest you look it up. Immediately.
- PATRIOT act
Knowing the above, does that change your view of freedoms enjoyed by Americans? Wouldn't you say that
any other 'first-world' country has at least the same, and probably more, freedom and civil liberties as the U.S.?
Internationally:
Exhibit A:
What about all the invasions, wars, bombings, overthrowal of democratically-elected leaders, support for dictators, suppression of movements for social change, assassinations, sanctions, death squads, biological and chemical warfare, and torture that the U.S. is responsible for?
Exhibit B:
U.S. vetoes at the United Nations have run the full gamut of scumbaggery, so appalling in number and seriousness that it would simply take too long to discuss. If we keep just to human rights violations (ignoring the US' utter contempt for efforts to reduce proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons as well as environmental destruction), we see that the U.S. has blocked efforts requiring nations to:
- Recognise human rights
- Observe international law (the only country in the world to have been condemned by the World Court for committing international terrorism)
- Take measures against Nazi, Fascist, and neo-Fascist activities
- Prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism etc
- Recognise the rights of children
- Observe the Geneva Convention
For a complete list, see
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle30468.htm - reading the list in its entirety is highly recommended, and truly eye-opening.
I said this in a previous post:
The conclusion, easily made, is that while the United Nations is the force with the greatest potential to make the world a better place, no other nation has worked harder to obstruct its efforts than the US.
There is no shortage of people who relentlessly deny and make absurd excuses for the atrocities committed by their government. Thanks to them, the groundwork for future crimes is laid (as Chomsky once said), and the struggle for a more peaceful, more just, and more compassionate world always seems to be out of reach.