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Goodie:

just to preempt your next breathless email, let's just switch from talking about social order to talking about boats.

Person X proposes that all boats be built with hulls in a certain shape and with a specified engine. Person Y comes along and says I'm not sure, how is that hull shape going to affect the performance of the boat? Then Mr X flips out and says "HOW THE HELL SHOULD I KNOW??? I JUST LIKE THAT SHAPE IT LOOKS COOL AND THAT ENGINE MAKES A REALLY SWEET VRROOOM NOISE."

Then Mr. Y says "why don't we just let boat builders come up with the designs they think will produce the best boats?" and Mr. X is all like "HOLY **** YOU HYPOCRITE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEIR BOATS WILL LOOK LIKE?!?!?"

Again, you propose a society without taxes yet have absolutely NO IDEA how to accomplish that or what that will look like.

So, you're Mr. X, right?

07-09-2012 , 03:02 PM

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You don't think a society without taxes is a pretty huge master plan?

Well I mean if you want to "have taxes" I don't really care that much as long as you only tax people who agree to it. So no, it's not really a master plan.

07-09-2012 , 03:02 PM

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MASTER PLAN: let's just not tell everyone else what to do BWAHAHAHA oh I broke my monocle I was laughing so hard damn.

07-09-2012 , 03:05 PM

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U mad?

Are you kidding? This is a hoot. I just think that the thread could reasonably be renamed: "A bunch of (mostly) non-Americans get butthurt about nonsense. Plus LOL Goodie"

07-09-2012 , 03:07 PM

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Well I mean if you want to "have taxes" I don't really care that much as long as you only tax people who agree to it. So no, it's not really a master plan.

You really don't see any implications of this? And you don't see how this would require a huge, gigantic plan to get done? A plan that would take years or people's time and billions of dollars to implement in this country.

It's not just a simple "let's allow anyone that doesn't want to pay taxes to not pay". You seriously think it's that simple? That's really, really laughable.

07-09-2012 , 03:12 PM

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You really don't see any implications of this?

I see LOTS of implications of it. If it had no implications, why would I even care??

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It's not just a simple "let's allow anyone that doesn't want to pay taxes to not pay". You seriously think it's that simple? That's really, really laughable.

wat

I never said it was simple, obviously the world is full of nosy busybodies that would FLIP OUT at the idea.

07-09-2012 , 03:14 PM

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Anyone wanna make some bets of the O/U how many pages pvn and Goodie can fill up with this?

07-09-2012 , 03:15 PM

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Goodie can't stop but likes to say it's only the OTHER GUY that is obsessed

07-09-2012 , 03:16 PM

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I never said it was simple, obviously the world is full of people with half a brain that would FLIP OUT at the idea.

FYP

07-09-2012 , 03:20 PM

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half a brain sounds about right

07-09-2012 , 03:20 PM

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07-09-2012 , 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

I see LOTS of implications of it. If it had no implications, why would I even care??

wat

I never said it was simple, obviously the world is full of nosy busybodies that would FLIP OUT at the idea.

Gee, I wonder why they would flip out. I mean, even a proponent of the idea has absolutely no idea how to institute it, how it would work in real life, or what the society would look like after implementation.

Yeah, those people are so crazy to question it. What are they thinking? HAHAHAHA.

And you're critical of MY ideas? How could people seriously be on the side of this clown? PVN, there was a time that you actually seemed like a worthy adversary. Not anymore, I'm afraid.

Not anymore.

07-09-2012 , 03:29 PM

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Goodie, it sounds like you think eliminating income taxes would be a big gamble. I thought that was to be encouraged?

07-09-2012 , 03:34 PM

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Goodie, it sounds like you think eliminating income taxes would be a big gamble. I thought that was to be encouraged?

Pretty clever. Not bad, actually.

I don't even question necessarily the idea of eliminating taxes. I just don't see how it would work.

If PVN had a plan on how it might work (or even an overall theory without details), I might be all for it.

07-09-2012 , 03:37 PM

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I'll go on record and say eliminating all taxes is completely absurd...now if you wanna talk about changing tax structure and/or eliminating income taxes on a state level, that could be a conversation worth having.

07-09-2012 , 03:38 PM

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Competely eliminating taxes sounds good, but then there would be no money to build roads and stuff.

07-09-2012 , 04:22 PM

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Notice how goodie has successfully wiggled out of talking about his ideas that he doesn't understand by changing the topic.

07-09-2012 , 04:22 PM

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but he never deflects or ignores, no sir!

07-09-2012 , 04:23 PM

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Also note it doesn't matter if I believe the moon is made of green cheese, goodie. Your idea is still completely malformed and ridiculous.

07-09-2012 , 04:41 PM

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but he never deflects or ignores, no sir!

What haven't I answered?

Whereas you literally haven't responded one time to explain your ideas. I mean, if you don't want to, that's cool. Just say that. But don't throw stones.

07-09-2012 , 04:43 PM

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What haven't I answered?

Uh, everything?

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Whereas you literally haven't responded one time to explain your ideas. I mean, if you don't want to, that's cool. Just say that. But don't throw stones.

What ideas need explaining?

07-09-2012 , 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

Uh, everything?

What ideas need explaining?

Examples.

The idea of no taxes needs explaining. Seems like I'm not the only one that doesn't understand how that's going to work. Most here don't. Apparently including yourself.

07-09-2012 , 05:02 PM

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Examples.

The idea of no taxes needs explaining. Seems like I'm not the only one that doesn't understand how that's going to work. Most here don't. Apparently including yourself.

But see, that's the thing. I'm not telling you that I have this great plan. Therefore, why would you expect me to give details of the plan I don't have? It makes no sense.

Do you expect the guy who says "let boat designers design boats however they want instead of telling them what to do" to give you plans for the boats those boat designers will design so you can evaluate this "plan" (hint: it's not a plan) to see if it will work?

07-09-2012 , 05:03 PM

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The idea of "no taxes" doesn't really need explaining at all. You stop collecting taxes, there is no step 2.

What you're asking is about a bunch of other stuff that I haven't mentioned.

07-09-2012 , 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

The idea of "no taxes" doesn't really need explaining at all. You stop collecting taxes, there is no step 2.

What you're asking is about a bunch of other stuff that I haven't mentioned.

I suppose you can take that approach. However, you have to admit that if you are going to believe in a system with no taxes, it stands to reason you should have some idea of what that would be like. If you don't understand or have any vision as to what the world you live in would be like without taxes, why would you believe in it?

What you're essentially saying is "I believe in a society with no taxes but I have no idea what my life or anyone else's life will be like in that system but I still believe in it".

It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense is all.

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