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So, your saying that my stance on gun control trumps all four of the other issues? So, I have to support freedom in every issue or I don't support freedom at all?

Yes , that's exactly what I'm saying.

You support everyone doing things you like and not doing things you don't like. You happen to like *some* things that are compatible with freedoms.

But just some.

07-05-2012 , 03:51 PM

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The world doesn't work that way. People that have blanket beliefs for every issue are incredibly simple minded and ignorant people.

I mean, I know you don't get it but this describes you.

You have a blanket belief. Guns=bad.

07-05-2012 , 03:52 PM

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Therefore, I believe that I'm justified to complain that freedom is a joke in this country and we really aren't "free". And I'm not the cause of that problem.

That's cool, go ahead and complain, I don't think you are the cause.

Just a cheerleader.

07-05-2012 , 03:53 PM

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That's not true. I don't like prostitution, drugs or discrimination in the workplace. But I believe in the freedom in all of those things.

So, no, NOT TRUE.

07-05-2012 , 03:56 PM

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I mean, I know you don't get it but this describes you.

You have a blanket belief. Guns=bad.

I don't know if you understood what I meant by blanket belief. When I say that, what I mean is a belief that encompasses more than one issue. Like "I'm pro-freedom so I don't even think about each individual issue, I just always believe in the stance that gives the individual more freedom, regardless of the differences with each issue". That would be a blanket belief.

Gun control is just one issue.

07-05-2012 , 03:57 PM

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Goodie changing the meaning to fit his tastes.

07-05-2012 , 03:59 PM

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Goodie changing the meaning to fit his tastes.

In what way?

07-05-2012 , 04:00 PM

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In what way?

Claiming guns are just one issue.

07-05-2012 , 04:00 PM

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What's wrong with this?

07-05-2012 , 04:07 PM

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Claiming guns are just one issue.

Huh? I understand there are many aspects to that issue but for the purposes of what we're discussing in this thread, they are just one issue.

07-05-2012 , 04:10 PM

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Well, that is the issue. It delves much deeper than that.

Based on that one issue, you've shown yourself to be against property rights, as well as against the Constitution of the US.

So you're now against gun ownership, certain property rights, and certain portions of the US Constitution.

07-05-2012 , 04:31 PM

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The Constitution piece is not valid. It's part of the Gun ownership debate. It's the same issue.

You guys are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, because it's me. The reason I brought up the other issues was to make a point that there are many issues that I'm pro-freedom. You have the right to choose what you would like to do with that information. But please don't try to argue the facts.

07-05-2012 , 10:43 PM

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I guess it's a good thing that the US invented free speech, political dissent, telecommunications and leisure time so you are thus able to spend your vacation pondering how bad you have it and badmouthing the greatest country on Earth on the internet. Would love to see you try that in Luxembourg.

Freedom of speech: rome or earlier
Political dissent: ancient greece
Telecommunication: germany
Leisure time: what the good life in greece was all about

What do you think happens if somebody badmouthes luxembourg?

07-05-2012 , 10:46 PM

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What's wrong with this?

In what sense? I mean, there's nothing "wrong" with it, it's basically the way almost every person in the whole world is. What's wrong is claiming that he's something he's not because he's not comfortable being honest about what he supports.

07-06-2012 , 01:01 AM

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I'm assuming the government sends guys with halberds to his house to arrest him

07-06-2012 , 03:32 AM

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07-06-2012 , 03:56 AM

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Russian dildos are out of control.

07-06-2012 , 04:02 AM

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Russian dildos are out of control.

yeah... it's tough getting the splinters out.

07-06-2012 , 04:42 AM

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Need to get rid of this per capita BS.

Countries ranked by gross GDP:

1 United States 15,094,025
2 China 7,298,147
3 Japan 5,869,471
4 Germany 3,577,031
5 France 2,776,324

07-06-2012 , 04:44 AM

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Actually, not at all. I'm much more pro-freedom than you think. I think most drugs should be legal, prostitution should be legal, I think that employers should be able to hire and fire who ever the hell they want for whatever reason they want, I think gambling should be completely legal in all forms and without taxation. However, I do think that the government should regulate and control some things, one of which is gun ownership and I do think the "given people 20K to make themselves steril (THEIR choice)" is a great idea.

You're my hero.

07-06-2012 , 09:58 AM

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What wasn't I honest about? You said that I only want Prostitution, Drugs, and discrimination in the workplace legal because it's things I like. You're completely and utterly wrong about that.

Who's not being honest?

07-06-2012 , 10:01 AM

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It doesn't have to be something you yourself would partake in to be something you like.

07-06-2012 , 10:12 AM

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It doesn't have to be something you yourself would partake in to be something you like.

Cool story, bro.

Let me try to be even more clear than I already have been. Maybe caps will help you understand.

I DON'T LIKE PROSTITUTION, DRUGS OR DISCRIMINATION IN THE WORKPLACE!!! IN FACT, I HATE DRUGS AND DISCRIMINATION. ABSOLUTELY HATE THEM BOTH.

Can you just admit you were wrong when you said I only want freedom for things I like?