Haven't checked this thread in several weeks but after reading through what I had missed, I didn't want it thread to peter out after a long and pointless discussion of beers!
I wanted to bump the post below as no-one has commented on it; it seemed a shame to let it slip through the cracks. In my view, one of the top posts in a thread of several hundred:
[Re: whether the U.S. has been a net positive]:
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Originally Posted by kurto
This seems like a pretty goofy assertion that could never be reasonably even discussed without determining all the relevent metrics.
I'm sure it would be easy to point to a lot of great things that came out of America while ignoring any harm that its done.
How does one balance things like being a center of much technological development over things like while being settled it wiped out millions of indiginous people? One of the largest polluters in the world? Its political actions have led to the deaths of how many?
I don't know how anyone would measure this to determine if its a net positive.
Deeds cannot be overlooked: to further examine a self-described "great" nation, it is instructive to view the US' use of veto at the U.N.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle30468.htm
Reading the list in its entirety is highly recommended, and truely eye-opening, but to give a few "highlights", the U.S. has blocked efforts requiring nations to:
- Recognise human rights
- Reduce nuclear proliferation
- Stop testing nuclear weapons
- Reduce chemical and biological weapons
- Ban the weaponisation of space
- Reduce environmental destruction
- Observe international law (the only country in the world to have been condemned by the World Court for committing international terrorism)
- Take measures against Nazi, Fascist, and neo-Fascist activities
- Prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism etc
- Recognise the rights of children
- Observe the Geneva Convention
- etc....
The conclusion, easily made, is that while the United Nations is the force with the greatest potential to make the world a better place, no other nation has worked harder to obstruct its efforts than the US.
Edit: Second conclusion: there is no shortage of people who relentlessly deny and make absurd excuses for the atrocities committed by their government. Thanks to them, the groundwork for future crimes is laid (as Chomsky once said), and the struggle for a more peaceful, more just, and more compassionate world always seems to be out of reach.
Last edited by PokerIMO; 06-28-2012 at 06:14 AM.