Only if you don't believe in the concept of justifiable homicide.

I don't know of any legal theory which justifies U.S. foreign policy by this analogy. There's certainly not one in international law.

Sigh...

People actually believe this.

what happened on the 28th anniversary of the invasion that answered the question?

Outside the states there are two types of people: those who yearn to be an American openly, and those who openly detest America but would snap become an American if given the opportunity.

Which foreign policy are you referring to:

The liberation of Europe and the 67 year commitment to its defense and reconstruction?

The stopping of genocide in the Balkans?

The liberation and 60 year defense of South Korea?

The nurturing of democracy in Japan after vanquishing its murderous monarchy?

The liberation of >50,000,000 from tyranny in Iraq and Afghanistan and giving their peoples a chance at democracy? (I'm assuming you think the systems installed in those countries are preferred to the reigns of Saddam and the Taliban?)

Even the misguided and half assed attempt at defending liberty in SE Asia?

I'm guessing the world is a far better place due to American foreign policy over the last century........

Imagine the counter factual history with America embracing the isolationist feelings of Charles Lindbergh in the 1930's and sitting behind our 2 oceans and watching the world go by. Not a very pretty thought for out European and Asian friends, ehhhh?

I hope both of the above posters are joking.

Nathan's hotdogs.
Your arguement is invalid.

I don't know what you are referring to in June 1972. Nixon bombing North Vietnam? Watergate burglaries?

Most certainly not.... plz respond.

If America had just vanished at the turn of the century, how would the world be a better place which your argument certainly implies?

As long as they're not poker players amirite?

USA is a far better place due to American foregin policy not the world. USA does not mean the whole world.
The liberation of >50,000,000 from tyranny in Iraq and Afghanistan and giving their peoples a chance at democracy?
You did not liberated Iraqis and Afghanistanis. Nothing has changed on better there , infact a lot of things are worse there now.

The stopping of genocide in the Balkans?
Lol at this. I am from Balkan and I can garantuee you that USA had nothing to do with stoping a genocide.

The liberation of Europe and the 67 year commitment to its defense and reconstruction?
You helped libereting the Europe as much as UK or Russia have. We don't need your defense and lol at reconstructing it.

Nothing has changed in Iraq and Afghanistan? Saddam and Taliban replaced with popularly democratically elected governments, but nothing has changed? Whatever you say.




Yes the 1995 US/NATO air campaign had nothing to do with the Bosnian Serbs and Milošević's thugs moving to the peace table in November 1995 in the Dayton Accords. Nothing to see here!

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Originally Posted by Andz

The liberation of Europe and the 67 year commitment to its defense and reconstruction?

You think Russia and England would have lasted without the US Lend-Lease and Murmansk runs of material? Forget about the man power and US Navy.

You say you don't need our defense, but I'm pretty sure your parents liked it pretty well in the 40's and 50's. And I don't see too much push to get them out of Europe now, either.

And to lol about reconstruction.... the Marshall Plan sez hai.

Your last name wouldn't be Milošević, by any chance, would it?

The Russians made a larger sarcrafice and played a larger role in defeating hitler.

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Who's brainwashed? If anything I'm overly critical of the US government and its policies. I think things can be better and I'm pretty outspoken about it. That doesn't mean I hate it, because I don't.

You can have your opinion, if you think Finland or whatever country you choose is "great", please, name it and defend it. I think that'll be fun, since I'm one of the few people here who actually defends the US in this thread. I think there is opportunity here if you're willing to go and get it, if you think that's laughable, fine, but I bet one of us is doing it wrong, and it's not me.


I dunno, World War II?

There is no question more Russians died, just as there is no question Russia never survives without the massive infusion of materials from 1940-45 from America and Germany having to divide its army east and west to deter the opening of the western front.

Germany had virtually nothing to fear of an invasion solely from England across the channel and could have stacked all those corps east.

And by the way..... let's assume Russia would have prevailed over Germany eventually (not likely, but I'll humor you). Do you think living in Germany, France, Belgium or England would be better today under Stalinist Rule, or the hegemony provided by Eisenhower, America et al??????

Andz confirmed furious that USA #1.

I don't think they would have been under Stalin's rule.

Of course you don't!

You believe Stalin would have stopped at Berlin and then would have retreated to pre 1940 borders after vanquishing Hitler.

You never ever believed Stalinism/ Lenninism/Communism was an insidious system antithetical to individual liberty, right? Those boys were harmless and just misunderstood.

Since I'm in a curious mood, say the USA firmly stated it was staying out of all internecine European and Asian conflicts, what, in your opinion would have happened once the Red Army took care of Hitler (assuming they would without assistance)? Plz....I gotta hear this one!

The US fought in WWII for its own benefit. Fighting in the war was clearly to the benefit of the US (compared to the other possible alternatives). I mean you might have an argument if the US had joined WWII earlier without having to be in danger or directly attacked.

Like... I don't know... Canada?

Jesus Christ, I do apologize. I've been wrong all this time.

Canada #1!

Sweet. And who said Americans were stupid and ignorant?

Hey I get it. People are butthurt over the US. I think part of it truly is Hatin'. The US is like the Floyd Mayweather of countries.

I think it'd be fun if everyone listed where they live and their annual household income with their opinions of the US and it'd put things in much different light.

Somalia. $3,000,000 a month. U.S.A sucks, Somalia #1!