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02-09-2016 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ccotenj
i'm thinking about this.

i'm seeing it in a different way, but i'll consider what you have to say and re-think things.
Reasons to vote: it makes you feel good

Reasons not to vote: all the other reasons

I'm not really opposed to any particular person voting, go nuts, if you enjoy it thats fine, its like reading the newspaper or watching a soap opera. I just get a little annoyed by people acting like you MUST vote and like its an actual good use of your time or something, like it has actual value beyond that. Something shared by those who read newspapers but thankfully not by those who watch soap operas. At least one of the three groups has a little self-awareness and introspection.
02-09-2016 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
I never thought I'd say this, but vhawk01 is actually right about something.

When the "pro-voters" start walking things back, their next line of defense is "if everyone thought that way, blah, blah, blah". So then you point out: nobody knows if you actually voted. So lying about voting works just as good as voting itself. Still walking it back, the "pro-voters" will counter that lying wouldn't count in the overall vote, thereby bringing the legitimacy of the election, and the regime holding it itself, into question.

Then you point out that bringing the legitimacy of an election, or the regime holding it itself, is a political action in and of itself. Then the "pro-voter"'s head x-plodes !!!1!
I usually just admit that if my reasoning catches on and everyone stops voting...then I'll vote
02-09-2016 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Reasons to vote: it makes you feel good

Reasons not to vote: all the other reasons

I'm not really opposed to any particular person voting, go nuts, if you enjoy it thats fine, its like reading the newspaper or watching a soap opera. I just get a little annoyed by people acting like you MUST vote and like its an actual good use of your time or something, like it has actual value beyond that. Something shared by those who read newspapers but thankfully not by those who watch soap operas. At least one of the three groups has a little self-awareness and introspection.
iirc from reading through threads, you want to tear the whole system down, right?

sorry, you will NEVER get me to buy into that.
02-09-2016 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ccotenj
iirc from reading through threads, you want to tear the whole system down, right? sorry, you will NEVER get me to buy into that.
Yeah, that may be, but that's not exactly what we're chatting about. As a political action, Election Boycotts are a real thing. Here's an excerpt from a wiki about them (Wikipedia)...
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... An election boycott... may be used as a form of political protest where voters feel that electoral fraud is likely, or that the electoral system is biased against its candidates, or that the polity organizing the election lacks legitimacy...

In South Africa, the three largest independent social movements boycott the vote under the banner of the No Land! No House! No Vote! Campaign. Other social movements in other parts of the world also have similar campaigns or non-voting preferences. These include the Naxalites in India, the Zapatista Army of National Liberation in Mexico and various Anarchist oriented movements... In India poor people's movements in Singur, Nandigram and Lalgarh have rejected parliamentary politics...
I'd also like to point out that election boycotts can go far beyond mere protests. Effective mass election boycotts will undermine the legitimacy of the ruling regime, causing a revolutionary constitutional crises, that must needs address the grievances of the boycotters to be resolved.

Interesting googling is the US Abolitionist movement for their preference to boycott elections, under an overall strategy of 'dis-union'. Also the use of election boycotts during la lucha against apartheid in South Africa.


Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 02-09-2016 at 03:08 PM.
02-09-2016 , 04:11 PM
In Nevada you can vote for none of the above.
02-09-2016 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
In Nevada you can vote for none of the above.
That's true. You can also return an unmarked ballot in any jurisdiction. When a congresscritter votes "present" he's doing the same thing. That's called "Abstentionism" and it's closely related to election boycotting, but it's different in some important ways.

Abstentionism is useful when the abstainers believe the election is legitimate and honest, put it isn't fair. It's always a form of protest. It is never an attempt to de-legitimize the regime. In fact, it is the opposite. You usually see Abstention campaigns mounted in multi-party (more than two) democracies where one of the parties feels their candidate or party was unfairly excluded from the ballot.

However, Abstentionism in a two-party, winner-take-all election, like they have in Nevada, is as useless as tits on a dude.
02-09-2016 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ccotenj
iirc from reading through threads, you want to tear the whole system down, right?

sorry, you will NEVER get me to buy into that.
Sure, but this is separate from that. I'm not arguing against you voting because I think democracy is immoral (even though I do). I'm arguing against you arguing in favor of people for voting because pro-voting arguments are almost always really ****ing stupid.

Like I said, if you wanna vote go nuts, but it might not hurt to spend some time thinking about why you vote.
02-09-2016 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
In Nevada you can vote for none of the above.
Not the case in Canada but...

For an upcoming Canadian by election a guy legally changed his name to Above znoneofthe and registered as a candidate.

Names are presented last name, first name on the ballot so it will appear as znoneofthe above on the ballot. The "z" was to ensure he was last alphabetically so his name will be at the bottom of the ballot.

By election is in two days, will report back with results.
02-12-2016 , 07:47 AM
in 1998 John Lewis Sr. ran against John Lewis in GA congressional elections and polled 21% of the vote.

      
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