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07-16-2016 , 01:50 PM
Your analogy might be appropriate if Republican policy had moved one iota in favour of the LGBT community, which of course is not the case.

Reality intrudes on Bitchi's narrative again.
07-16-2016 , 01:55 PM
sure, we'll look at voting demographics this election. republicans will likely get far more gay votes than last time
07-16-2016 , 02:06 PM
Have you even looked at their platform bro?
07-16-2016 , 02:18 PM
Bee sounds like one of those guys/girls who keeps taking their partner back after they're cheated on them a dozen times.

"That was last week, this time it's different"
07-16-2016 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
sure, we'll look at voting demographics this election. republicans will likely get far more gay votes than last time
On what basis are you making these predictions? Nothing the GOP has done recently are at all supportive of the LGBT community. Have you read the RNC party platform?

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It has been proven by both experience and endless social science studies that traditional marriage is best for children.
From: https://www.gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

As a pediatrician this is enfuriating. Not only because I take care of children with LGBT parents all the time and in the vast vast majority of cases they are amazing and supportive parents, but also because the studies that have been done actually show that the children of homosexual parents are just as successful as those raised in "traditional marriages." Here's an excerpt from an article in the journal Pediatrics for example:

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There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and any measure of a child’s emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families.
Source: http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...18/1/349.short

The review cites several different studies and I won't go into detail on the exact numbers but as an example:

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The second study used data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, a randomly selected, nationally representative sample of 12 105 US adolescents in grades 7 through 12. The authors demonstrated that 12- to 18-year-olds living with 2 women in a “marriage-like” family arrangement (n 44) were similar to peers whose parents were heterosexual in measures of self-esteem, depression, anxiety, school “connectedness,” and school success. Overall, adolescents reported positive family relationships, including parental warmth, care from others, personal autonomy, and neighborhood integration, and there were no systematic differences between the same-gender and opposite-gender parent families. Research exploring the diversity of parental relationships among gay and lesbian partners is just beginning. The legalization of same-gender marriage in Massachusetts in 2004 offers the first true opportunity to study how same-gender marriage affects family life and child development. In addition to the findings discussed above, current research on same-gender couples who have been able to jointly adopt and establish legal ties between children and both parents suggests that legal recognition of same-gender marriage may strengthen ties between partners, their children, and their extended families.
Why would the LGBT community endorse a party that flat out lies and ignores the evidence behind their ability to raise children? Please explain this to me because I'm failing to understand your reasoning...
07-16-2016 , 03:22 PM
the reasoning is based on economic interest which aligns gop for gay men due to them paying tons of taxes and not taking much out. since gay marriage is the law of the land theres no bogeyman preventing the votes

idk why this is so controversial to say that now the biggest issue isn't on the table many more gays will vote for economic reasons

are you suggesting adoption rights are the next battle and thus gay men will keep voting left en mass for that reason?
07-16-2016 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
sure, we'll look at voting demographics this election. republicans will likely get far more gay votes than last time
Obama got 76% of the LGBTQ vote in 2012, 70% in 2008. Kerry 77%, Gore 71%. There's no chance Trump sees some significant change in his favor.
07-16-2016 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds
Curious where you think I stand on these issues. Because if you're going to automatically relate decidedly Pro 2A with social conservatism then I am not sure you have ever talked to any social circles outside of your own.
More often than not, those who are high on guns are also high on religion, against gay rights, and against abortion. You personally might not be, and don't seem like a RWNJ. I'm sure there are others who are the same; gun owners who are moderate or even liberal who are against socially conservative thinking. But it is disingenuous to think that there isn't a significant correlation.
07-16-2016 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
are you being facecious here

where does the right of the unborn child come in, marriage is a government subsidy why does the fed get to dictate to every single state that everyone has a right to it
A fetus doesn't have rights. No one has dictated to every single state that "everyone" has a right to it; one cannot marry a six-year old, nor their brother, nor seven different people at once.

In 20 or 30 years, history is going to regard anti-SSM people the same way it has 60's segregationists from the South, or those in the 40's who fought against the ceasing of the MLB color barrier.
07-16-2016 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Obama got 76% of the LGBTQ vote in 2012, 70% in 2008. Kerry 77%, Gore 71%. There's no chance Trump sees some significant change in his favor.
Im talking about gay men specifically
07-16-2016 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
Im talking about gay men specifically
So lesbians and bisexuals are going to continue to vote between 7/10 and 3/4 of the time for Democrats, but gay males will suddenly jump ship to vote for a party that has actually spent the year since Obergefell v. Hodges developing a MORE OFFENSIVE stance towards them?
07-16-2016 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
the reasoning is based on economic interest which aligns gop for gay men due to them paying tons of taxes and not taking much out. since gay marriage is the law of the land theres no bogeyman preventing the votes

idk why this is so controversial to say that now the biggest issue isn't on the table many more gays will vote for economic reasons

are you suggesting adoption rights are the next battle and thus gay men will keep voting left en mass for that reason?
You see how the post above you used links to sources explaining why their posts make sense?

Maybe try that every once in a while.
07-16-2016 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
the reasoning is based on economic interest which aligns gop for gay men due to them paying tons of taxes and not taking much out. since gay marriage is the law of the land theres no bogeyman preventing the votes

idk why this is so controversial to say that now the biggest issue isn't on the table many more gays will vote for economic reasons

are you suggesting adoption rights are the next battle and thus gay men will keep voting left en mass for that reason?
1st: Please see Einbert's post above regarding Pence's history of anti-LGBT stances and legislation efforts and explain again why any member of the LGBT community would vote for any ticket with him on it. You're insinuating that they will sell out their community and potentially put their rights at stake just to potentially get a tax break.

2nd: By your reasoning, everyone making any reasonable income should be a republican because they're only motivated by personal financial game. It may come as a surprise to you but a lot of people vote Democrat instead of Republican because of the antiquated social views and stances even though it may lead to higher taxes for them. Paying more in taxes is not the sole motivator of any given voter, shocking right?
07-16-2016 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by shpanko
2nd: By your reasoning, everyone making any reasonable income should be a republican because they're only motivated by personal financial game. It may come as a surprise to you but a lot of people vote Democrat instead of Republican because of the antiquated social views and stances even though it may lead to higher taxes for them. Paying more in taxes is not the sole motivator of any given voter, shocking right?
Yep. People like BitchiBee are all convinced that only ghetto-dwellers on welfare vote Dem, ostensibly for the "free stuff" and b/c they don't have a tax rate to care about. Meanwhile, Obama won people with "advanced" degrees 55%-42% in '12.
07-16-2016 , 07:13 PM
actually most people that vote democrat have mental health issues
07-16-2016 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
actually most people that vote democrat have mental health issues
BAHHHHAHAHAHAHAAHA
07-16-2016 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by shpanko
2nd: By your reasoning, everyone making any reasonable income should be a republican because they're only motivated by personal financial game. It may come as a surprise to you but a lot of people vote Democrat instead of Republican because of the antiquated social views and stances even though it may lead to higher taxes for them. Paying more in taxes is not the sole motivator of any given voter, shocking right?
the whole point is more gay men are able to vote gop than before due to gay marriage being the law of the land. No one said all or even a majority will vote gop. Its just speculation, lets wait till the election for the verdict.
07-16-2016 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
the whole point is more gay men are able to vote gop than before due to gay marriage being the law of the land. No one said all or even a majority will vote gop. Its just speculation, lets wait till the election for the verdict.
They were always able to.
07-16-2016 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Bitchee isn't just delusional, he's just completely ignorant. On every topic he comes in, says something supremely ignorant and is then corrected and never seems to have the self-realization to stop making bigoted and/or stupid remarks without looking up basic facts first.

If he's not a troll he's probably the worst regular poster in politics.
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
actually most people that vote democrat have mental health issues
A new contender emerges...
07-16-2016 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
They were always able to.
willing to, want to, forgive my turn of phrases
07-16-2016 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
actually most people that vote democrat have mental health issues
We elected Obama twice, and Clinton twice. In between, you elected someone twice whose biggest accomplishment was successfully fading the Arab-thrown pair of shoes.
07-16-2016 , 08:39 PM
Seriously these guys can barely put together a complete thought other than "guns good, tyranny bad", though I did manage to figure out what BB was saying (that now freed from the yoke of being forced to vote for pro-gay marriage Democrats, gay people can vote for Republicans since their next big issue will be high taxes). Gonna go ahead and say picking a VP who wanted to use tax dollars to fund gay conversion therapy probably not helping much there...
07-16-2016 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
willing to, want to, forgive my turn of phrases
The thing is, you just made this up.
07-16-2016 , 09:03 PM
did i say it was fact any where along the line, I said it was speculation
this was a tiny thing that somehow blew up. lets go back to talking about how awesome guns are!

Last edited by BitchiBee; 07-16-2016 at 09:10 PM.
07-16-2016 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
We elected Obama twice, and Clinton twice. In between, you elected someone twice whose biggest accomplishment was successfully fading the Arab-thrown pair of shoes.
massive debt
massive unrest
massive division
massive unemployment
ethically bankrupt
morally bankrupt
financially bankrupt
same as a third world country
thats an accomplishment all right
weeee way to go obama and clinton

clinton stole the social security moneys for his pet projects then claims its insolvent
now obama has stole it agin
nothing they say is trustworthy
most corrupt admin in history
corrupt doj
corrupt fbi
corrupt supreme court justices
none of them are trustworthy anymore

Last edited by RowdyOne; 07-16-2016 at 10:17 PM. Reason: and i would take my opinion over urs anyday

      
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