Aren't a lot of gun nuts saying that ALL criminals will always find other ways to get guns, etc.?

Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?

I do think this. I was just making a point about why it's misleading to compare gun deaths to gun deaths when homicides are what we'd really like to reduce/prevent.

I don't know, I'm not a gun nut and don't really know anyone that owns guns except one friend who's ex-Army.

Grunching:

So after endless hysterics yesterday and every article and news story breathlessly reporting about a "ZOMG high power assulut death rifle of doom" the bushmaster was laying in the back seat of the car unused.

But yeah, no media agenda or rush to judgement or anything.

And even that wouldn't have been correct.....but infinitely better than lol add them up.

I think you need to look at world war 1 as a good example of how our fore fathers had no idea about future gun technology. It is amazing what gun owners get away with compared to anything else. Can't smoke mj in a majority of country legally. Or play poker online or even at a casino.

The gun culture needs to change but there too stubborn, even after this brutal massacre. Nothing will change them if yesterday didn't. Cold dead hands and hearts too.

can say the same about you.

Those of us who dont fap to pictures of murder machines dont care exactly what gun this guy used. At all.

You are not a victim in any way.

Why? Obviously we have 5 times as many citizens so that should be taken into account, but our gun death rate is 1000x that of the UK.

If the dude yesterday had only a big ass knife, he probably still would have forced his way in and possibly injured 10-20 people but MAYBE a couple people would have died. That's it. Guns made this tragedy possible.

LOL NO

You realize that people who take steps to carry personal firearms are not even close to the same type of person who gets wasted on Evan Williams and shoots themselves in the face with grandpas pistol right?

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you want people to train and learn to use the tool correctly but you want to keep them from having what they need to do that with?

Do YOU realize that the mother bought the guns that killed her and were used to kill all these people in order to protect herself?

No, when their spouse leaves them for another partner, they just get wasted on Evan Williams and shoot their ex, instead.

"Main stream" Media: What could have we done to prevent this tragedy? Any sensible legislation?

Fox news: There is nothing we could have done to prevent this. The doors were locked and he still got in!

for the record, I've never worked with per capita data in any way, shape, or form, so I readily admit I had no idea how to properly combine that information

irt that article where the lady says she shoulda known:

like, doesn't that seem like the biggest bit of confirmation bias ever? guy with aspergers doesn't get on well at high school, ldo she shoulda known he'd turn into a killer? Really?

This story is sounding oddly familiar to the South Park episode where Stan is diagnosed with aspergers and he meets that group of gun-wielding Matrix wannabes. (No, I am not saying South Park caused this to happen)

irt the idea that we should hold gun owners to strict standards of keeping their **** from getting stolen, well, obviously that doesn't help in this situation

should we perhaps have very tight control/limits in a house with any sort of mentally-handicapped person living there? Like, there must be a trigger lock, gun safe for when/if the handicapped person is left alone in the house, etc.?

irt the post (i forget who made it) that said we should ignore how all the mass shootings seem to happen by the hand of crazies and just focus on the guns, it seems entirely relevant that the guns aren't walking themselves into populated areas and committing crimes. Nor are they being walked in by people with fully-functioning mental capacities. If you want to ignore the crazies in the equation of mass shootings by crazies, then I think it's only fair that gun enthusiasts should get to ignore the shooting part, no?

I think that's a pretty well-documented fact at this point, and I assume it won't change.

Do we know her motives for buying the guns conclusively? Was she just a well-to-do gun enthusiast who had an arsenal? Did she buy them for her son to enjoy?

Not surprisingly, discussions by the right of how this guy was weird because he was a nerd and honor roll student have already begun. It really is amazing how threatened dumb people feel by smart people and how intellectualism is to blame for everything.

Ok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

There has to be some way for us to have our guns safely!

I hate to break it to you, but guns are inherently not safe and there is no way you can definitively rid them of their dangerous instrumentality.

Cool, one time this happened almost a hundred years ago, therefore people can kill many children with bombs all the time if they want.

GJGE

GUNS GUNS GUNS!!!

I already answered that question. You can train at a safe/isolated and monitored shooting range all you want, no need to buy and store all that ammo at your home.
The main point of gun training for self defense is in psychological preparation, teaching responsibility and safe use and situational awareness, NOT in learning how to become the most accurate shooter in the world.
If you want to shoot on daily basis, maybe you should pick up olympic shooting or biathlon, or join the military?
I live in Lithuania and the laws here oblige the gun owner to inform the police in a period of 24 hours about each gun use, even if it was a single shot into the air in middle of nowhere, I see nothing wrong with that law.

As anticipated you missed the point.

Nutters will find a way.

Sooner or later one of these people will use explosives or chemicals and then you'll see an increase in those kinds of incidents.

Stop focusing on the symptoms and start looking at the cause.

Yes, cause building a bomb, placing it and detonating it is on the same difficulty level as buying and using a gun.

So, you're arguing for banning guns completely. Are you ok with turning tens of millions of peaceful people into felons because they refuse to give up their guns? Are you ok with deploying the military into our communities to confiscate them if only a small number of people hand them over, and instead hide them under the mattress? Because this is what a full ban on guns would require, and it would lead to a huge amount of social "unrest" at the least. The prison machine is hungry, it needs more victims.

Most people itt thankfully put at least a few more seconds of thought into their position, even if this thread is in part a huge troll fest.

Well the man is clearly a genius. I have no idea what FNC is blathering about.