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10-09-2015 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbug
Would have been equally tragic if the coworker killed themselves with pills or by jumping off a bridge. The gun is just an inanimate object.
Sure it would have been, but with all the gun violence and campus shootings we've been having most gun deaths are actually suicides. My wife's coworker's suicide was one of them
10-09-2015 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Just get a dog and no one will break in. Not that anyone will anyway.

Not only is the solution never a gun, it's often the worst answer possible.
My brother-in-law wired a speaker for his mom to a secluded area in her backyard. He downloaded a long duration audio of a barking dog that sounds very realistic and wired it to a remote in her bedroom. If she ever hears a peculiar sound or just wants a temporary friend all she has to do his press play! To what extent of it increasing her safety is one thing. That fact that it gives her more piece of mind holds value.
10-09-2015 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
No one has done these things. Having guns where they can be accessed by kids is quite obviously child endangerment. If you keep all your guns in a locked safe that they don't know how to open it's probably not. See the difference?
Wat?
In your mind maybe.
10-09-2015 , 10:33 PM
Define child endangerment
10-09-2015 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
Wat?
In your mind maybe.
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Many times a teenaged boy will find a gun such as a semi-automatic pistol in his home and, after taking out the ammunition clip, assume that the gun is unloaded. He then points the pistol at his best friend and playfully pulls the trigger, killing the other lad with the bullet that was already in the chamber. "People say, 'Teach kids not to pull the trigger,' but kids will do it," Hemenway says. In a 2001 study, for example, small groups of boys from 8 to 12 years old spent 15 minutes in a room where a handgun was hidden in a drawer. More than two-thirds discovered the gun, more than half the groups handled it, and in more than a third of the groups someone pulled the trigger—despite the fact that more than 90 percent of the boys in the latter groups had received gun-safety instruction.
http://harvardmagazine.com/2004/09/d...he-barrel.html
10-09-2015 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
Wat?
In your mind maybe.
Have you read this thread?

How many links here about a loaded gun being grabbed by a kid and being used to shoot someone.

This was a recent one.
10-09-2015 , 10:53 PM
Thats on them.
10-10-2015 , 12:03 AM
You think LAS or steve give a **** about other people's kids?
10-10-2015 , 12:05 AM
LOL LAS it's no surprise granddad has been shooting for 83 years, I bet your family tree is racist cowards as far back as the eye can see. He got started young, just like you did.

But here's a fun fact only educated people get to know, lol, nobody in your family will ever qualify...

Other old people manage to make it through the day without a ****ing gun. The world over, the elderly exist unarmed.
10-10-2015 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by hornbug
I think suicides would rank their preferences as so:
  • 1 being dead
  • 2 being alive and healthy
  • 3 being alive and in great pain from a suicide attempt
That's because you have no idea what you're talking about.
10-10-2015 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
LOL LAS it's no surprise granddad has been shooting for 83 years, I bet your family tree is racist cowards as far back as the eye can see.
I'm curious: is anyone with whom you disagree NOT a racist?
10-10-2015 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chymechowder
I'm curious: is anyone with whom you disagree NOT a racist?
It's kind of his thing.

Whenever I hear or see anything racist I immediately relate it to fly.
10-10-2015 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
The vast majority of the time people who commit suicide are not doing so rationaly. A treatable chemical imbalance in their brain tells them it's the best option, so what their preference may or may not be doesn't really come into play here.
It's not even so much about it being treatable. It's just that it's temporary.

Gun nuts, you know about these little things called 'moods' right? As in, sometimes you are in a ****ty mood, sometimes you are maybe angry at someone. You might even act on that mood and perhaps do something like say something mean or even punch someone. But the next day you regret what you said or did and can't even imagine doing them. That's how it often works with suicide. Having a gun around makes it very easy for a person to make a swift, fatal mistake. Jumping off a bridge, taking pills, etc, not nearly as swift and as fatal. Pills often don't kill you and you're going to have to find a bridge high enough to jump off first, unless you happen to have one in your home of course.

But yeah, **** people's impulses and most of all **** their families who have to go through the grief of losing their son / husband / father.

Also **** the parents of little kids who accidentally get shot, they should have just known better gun safety. Or not have hung out with kids who didn't know better gun safety.

Mostly, just **** all other people, I need my toys.
10-10-2015 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt
There is plenty of rational though. It just happens to not fit your personal worldview. Just because someone disagrees with you on something doesn't mean that their views are irrational.
When basically every pro-gun argument has been demolished by facts and logic and the pro-gun side is basically left arguing "I don't care about dead kids" it's pretty safe to say rationality has left the building.
10-10-2015 , 05:39 AM
Lol at children being able to get the deadly weapon in the house not being child endangerment.

Letting kids stroll back alone from school is criminal child endangerment in some places.

(I'm not saying the second should be, the first definitely is and should be criminal if it isn't already)
10-10-2015 , 06:26 AM
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/human-i...-endangerment/

"Southern states have the highest level of gun ownership, virtually no laws on the books against childrens access to guns and were found to be the most irresponsible at locking firearms away from children."

But as Sandy Hook proves, "we don't care about dead kids" is the gun nut mantra.
10-10-2015 , 09:47 AM
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Female veterans who try to take their own lives are often successful at a far higher rate than their female non-veteran counterparts because of one reason: They use guns.

Female veterans die by suicide at nearly six times the rate as those with no service record, such an alarming number that mental health experts at the Department of Veterans Affairs say the agency is reaching out to former servicewomen to talk about gun safety.

The female veterans’ suicide rate is also surprising because men generally are far more likely than women to die by suicide.

“One reason is that female veterans are more comfortable with firearms — it’s part of the culture,” said Caitlin Thompson, VA’s deputy director for suicide prevention.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...they-use-guns/
10-10-2015 , 09:51 AM
That's on them.
10-10-2015 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chymechowder
I'm curious: is anyone with whom you disagree NOT a racist?
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Originally Posted by steve1238
It's kind of his thing.

Whenever I hear or see anything racist I immediately relate it to fly.
Do either of you ever stop whining?

Jesus no wonder you need a gun to go to the grocery store, can't even see the "r-word" on the internets without collapsing into a blubbery pile of self pity.
10-10-2015 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FeralCreature
It's not even so much about it being treatable. It's just that it's temporary.

Gun nuts, you know about these little things called 'moods' right? As in, sometimes you are in a ****ty mood, sometimes you are maybe angry at someone. You might even act on that mood and perhaps do something like say something mean or even punch someone. But the next day you regret what you said or did and can't even imagine doing them. That's how it often works with suicide. Having a gun around makes it very easy for a person to make a swift, fatal mistake. Jumping off a bridge, taking pills, etc, not nearly as swift and as fatal. Pills often don't kill you and you're going to have to find a bridge high enough to jump off first, unless you happen to have one in your home of course.

But yeah, **** people's impulses and most of all **** their families who have to go through the grief of losing their son / husband / father.

Also **** the parents of little kids who accidentally get shot, they should have just known better gun safety. Or not have hung out with kids who didn't know better gun safety.

Mostly, just **** all other people, I need my toys.
Or don't have guns.
10-10-2015 , 11:12 AM
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These three basic facts demonstrate America's unique gun culture. There is a very strong correlation between gun ownership and gun violence — a relationship that researchers argue is at least partly causal. And American gun ownership is beyond anything else in the world. At the same time, these guns are concentrated among a passionate minority, who are typically the loudest critics against any form of gun control and who scare legislators into voting against such measures.

2) More guns mean more gun deaths. Period.

The research on this is overwhelmingly clear. No matter how you look at the data, more guns means more gun deaths.
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417...states-america
10-10-2015 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbug
Would have been equally tragic if the coworker killed themselves with pills or by jumping off a bridge. The gun is just an inanimate object.
You know absolutely nothing about the psychology or dynamics of suicide.

I have lost two friends to suicide, one with a gun, and one via jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

The guy who did it with a gun took it from his parents. The gun was not secured, and his ease of access to it was entirely within their control and decision to keep a gun in the house. Statistics have repeatedly indicated that ease of access is a considerable factor in whether people cross over from suicidal to actively making a suicide attempt, and guns are one of the most "successful" means of suicide. Had the gun been properly secured, or better yet, not been there, he might well not have made the attempt.

The guy who jumped off the bridge researched it for weeks when his parents looked through his browser history. He watched videos of other people who did it. He knew exactly where to make the jump. People who choose this method of suicide more often survive, and in interviews with survivors, most of them say they regretted it the instant they jumped off the bridge. His parents have since become leaders in the movement to get a suicide barrier erected on the bridge, a tactic that has proven successful in preventing suicides in other "hot spots" like bridges in other parts of the country. People do not just "choose another spot," because that is not how the psychology of suicide works. Taking active steps to make problem areas less prone to suicide attempts has actually decreased the incidence of suicides in those areas.

Making it harder for people to commit suicide makes a significant difference in whether they actually attempt it, and the longer they consider it, the more chance of intervention exists. Maybe people ITT think suicide is a sign of weakness and we don't need those people. But having lost two friends that way, I would probably clock someone in the mouth if they said that to my face.
10-10-2015 , 02:30 PM
It's on them though.
10-10-2015 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Do either of you ever stop whining?

Jesus no wonder you need a gun to go to the grocery store, can't even see the "r-word" on the internets without collapsing into a blubbery pile of self pity.
I've never carried a gun anywhere.
Why do you turn everything into a personal attack?
10-10-2015 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by steve1238
I've never carried a gun anywhere.
Why do you turn everything into a personal attack?
LOL just constant, constant whining.

      
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