I'm willing to consider solutions which limit mass shootings, even if they wouldn't have solved this one.

Are we talking about gun killings or violence in general? Or are you suggesting that massacres like today are the price of the safety guns give to a society? I hope you are not.

FlyWf, day in day out your posts are good/spot on.

No, AINEC.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-...istics2012.xls

The intentional homicide rate in the US, for the last year fully documented here (2010) was 4x as high as in the UK.

But lolikes.

Math, how does it work?

Yep, it seems...

Gotta be a level, amirite? WP General Tsao, WP... you actually had some poasters going with the whole "pass out pistols on the schoolyard' tardishments.

I would buy that if this was the first time something like this happened. But it's not. The specifics of this case are entirely unnecessary to form any policy response.

How is that a question in this case? Lol freedom. Take away your right to bear arms and your still in the 95%+ percentile regarding "freedom" in the world. Have a look around once in a while.

If you don't think this will change the gun debate in the US, you are sorely mistaken. I think we've hit a turning point.

Oh, from an article talking about the UK's high violent crime rate:

Really? In the U.S., more than 20 people a day are shot to death. Today, most of those were 5-6 years old.

Let's see England try to top that one.

no way

How so? Seems like any other mass school shooting in the US afaict.

You want mass scratchings on your hands? Or under your fingernails, as it were? You want that?!

We'll hit a turning point if people start showing up at NRA meeting and rallies with life size styrofoam cutouts of dead kindergartenders and child-size coffins, and start driving trucks around major cities with photos of massacred children in classrooms, like those anti-women groups like to do wrt abortion.

Not really. Not when 20 of the victims weren't even in the 3rd grade.

Not when the string of photos of victims that start scrolling on TV are all of six year olds.

Uh, no chance any meaningful gun control legislation is passed at the federal level in the next two years. None.

I'm just not seeing it. This is just a flavor of the week story imo.

I wonder when it will happen, or even if it will happen. I hope it's inevitable, but sad as it seems, maybe it isn't.

There might just be if people start showing up at GOP campaign meetings and fundraisers with life size styrofoam cutouts of dead kindergartenders and child-size coffins, and start driving trucks around major cities with photos of massacred children in classrooms, like those anti-women groups like to do wrt abortion.

Unless these fundraisers are in the south and the kids in Connecticut were black, in which case, Thomas Jefferson's always right.

The USSC won't have it. Any amendment to the constitution won't pass. We're stuck. I don't see any way to handle this.

The states have led on social issues like gay marriage and mj, leading to at least discussion on the national level. At least hope that some states could lead the discussion.

Violence in general.

Believe it or not, this shooting is simply a concentrated tragedy that happens everyday everywhere. I think we can agree that our goal in shaping policy should be to minimize the all violence instead of focusing on single events correct?

Well, when you start digging in to various case studies, the statistics don't really support the notion that banning guns is that good at preventing violence. After Dunblane, Britain significantly tightened firearm laws. Violence increased. After the Heller decision, violence decreased in D.C. Throughout the United States, the most violent areas are large cities that have the strictest gun laws and harshest penalties. From a simple policy perspective, it's an extremely hard sell to find that banning guns results in a public gain.

The reasons for this are fairly simple. One, the largest driver of violence in the United States is the drug war. Going after guns is simply going after a symptom instead of the cause. Second, guns, like drugs, will remain prevalent even if banned. Outlawing something that is extremely useful is rarely effective, the black market is too strong.

I get the kneejerk reaction towards doing something, anything to do something to make you feel better, but that doesn't lead to effective policy. Time and time again, laws are made after some sort of public disaster that leads to terrible laws. We need to take a deep breath, mourn, and try to approach this problem rationally when we can think beyond the bodies of some 20 odd children.

No. Five and six year old kids piled up in hearses and coffins will be different.

I wasn't aware homicide was the only type of violence possible.

But lolmondo

English, how does it work?

It's really hard to take you seriously when you say something like this.