Canada's crime rate is exponentially to the Qth degree lower than United States.

You guys don't need your guns.

But then again, The Walking Dead wouldn't be possible without all the guns...

if our crime rate is higher than isn't that more of a reason for me to need a gun

Someone clearly didnt read the story behind Battle of Thermopylae including the numbers that were there, understand the lessons of the engagement, or even just watch the end of the film 300.

Why do so many jpgs you post have zero accuracy DBJ, is this selection bias of the intelligence of the groups you are joining on facebook or is this selection bias that you only post the dumbest ones?

What do you want us to do? Pretend guns nuts are just like the anti-global warming crowd or the pro-vaccine crowd? You (or some other gun guy here?) said that dumb arguments that exaggerate/make up the threat of the federal government taking away peoples guns are good to rile up the base. While that's the type of argument I'd expect from a gun nut, it also presupposes that your target audience is idiots, so there isn't any real disagreement.

if you legit value the right to own a gun over your life then you are an idiot

There is a lot of irony over dying for a weapon you claim you own to defend yourself with.

I predict DB will make the "guys, I wuz just trolling lol" play ITT.

If the guns rights advocates don't want people lumping them in with fringe nuts, maybe the ones talking about killing federal agents should step away from the thread.

Pretty sure the statement in the first sentence places your firmly among the crazy bubbas you describe in the second sentence.

From the other thread:

Criminals wear body armor too.

The anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric in this thread, where have I read it before?

I scale them based on the perceived intelligence of the viewer.

In all seriousness, you must have noticed my own statements typically go against the propaganda I post.

ITT understanding basic handgun ballistics makes one a sociopath.

It's more about the fantasizing about having an opportunity to shoot someone with a vest on (wonder who usually wears those??) that makes it a bit creepy.

Your the one that brought up shooting through vests

The best response you have is to blatantly lie? GJGE

Okay rjoe, when talking about penetrating properties of a bullet what commonly known reference would you use?

Ballistics gel LDO

I just realized Lirva's new account was banned already so this convo won't be nearly as fun

Nailed it!

That's some pretty low hanging fruit Trolly, I wouldn't celebrate too much :P

Umm...Okay, so what does bullet x will penetrate 6 inches into ballistics gel mean in practical terms, cause I don't have a clue? We can play the same game with plate steel, pine bark, pillow cases, and telephone books. It sounds cool to say bullet x will penetrate 1/4 inch plate steel, but I still don't know what that really means.

I do have a pretty good idea what bullet x will penetrate type II body armor from a range of 10 ft means. I know that because type II body armor has very specific and easily found specs for what it will protect against. Hence, body armor penetration makes for a convenient and easily understood reference. Sorry if it's "creepy", but you really should stop being so easily bothered by reasonable conversation.

I only said ballistics gel because that's what Neblis used in his reply. I don't really care what you use as a metric since it won't mean much to me either way. While you may know what all that stuff means I don't :P

I'm pretty sure I didn't say what you think I'd said there.

LirvA had a new account already? I find that funny since he totally swore he was done with 2+2 in his ATF thread

wtf did u meanies do to lirva?