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09-16-2013 , 05:27 PM
Moderates in action ITT
09-16-2013 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Can you actually get through medical school without reading comprehension? I would assume no but.. here we are.
Reporting this post for obvious trolling
09-16-2013 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
um... just going by the poll cited earlier ITT doctor.
lol you just said that most people are completely uninformed. Your assumption that someone is informed when they hear the term 'universal background check' is either laughably ******ed or hopelessly dishonest.
09-16-2013 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Reporting this post for obvious trolling
Do what you will.
09-16-2013 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lol you just said that most people are completely uninformed. Your assumption that someone is informed when they hear the term 'universal background check' is either laughably ******ed or hopelessly dishonest.
And here it is again. My statement was in reference to the term, "stricter gun laws," as one can clearly see if they scroll back.

So, goofy, report away, but I stand by the post.
09-16-2013 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
And here it is again. My statement was in reference to the term, "stricter gun laws," as one can clearly see if they scroll back.

So, goofy, report away, but I stand by the post.
Yes, and how you could possibly think someone is informed when they hear 'universal background check' but not 'stricter gun laws' is not only baffling, but means you think the NRA is all powerful, which must be crazy scary to you.
09-16-2013 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Yes, and how you could possibly think someone is informed when they hear 'universal background check' but not 'stricter gun laws' is not only baffling, but means you think the NRA is all powerful, which must be crazy scary to you.
I never mentioned the phrase "Universal background check" and specifically said that direct questions that deal with the issue such as the one DAB posted should be used in polls.

So once again...
09-16-2013 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
I never mentioned the phrase "Universal background check" and specifically said that direct questions that deal with the issue such as the one DAB posted should be used in polls.

So once again...
it's what we're talking about and the only reasonable conclusion one could make about your writing. Feel free to sound the retreat.
09-16-2013 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
it's what we're talking about and the only reasonable conclusion one could make about your writing. Feel free to sound the retreat.
LOLprojection
09-16-2013 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Do what you will.
I was just kidding, I would never report a post that's totally right
09-16-2013 , 05:43 PM
What's funny is you are at the point now where you are getting caught up in your own rhetorical game. Before the Martin thread wrapped again you criticized me for not sticking to what I wrote to the letter, leaving no room for inference, now you want to disregard everything I wrote in favor of what is "obvious."

slippin doc is slippin.
09-16-2013 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lol from your link, first poll, more strict, 51%.
lol, so your position is

(1) "universal background check" polling isn't specific enough to be accurate

AND

(2) see also this poll I cite showing not everyone wants MOAR GUN CONTROL!
09-16-2013 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I was just kidding, I would never report a post that's totally right
Meh, wouldn't really matter to me either way. I keep telling myself not to interact with Ikes, as he is obviously either trolling all of us or can't read, but sometimes I forget and try to interact with it like its people.

So it's partially my fault.
09-16-2013 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
The simple fact is the NRA isn't some super powerful entity that is keeping wildly popular bills from passing. The support for what is delightfully termed for universal background checks simply isn't that high when put into what the program actually is. The support is also pretty shallow.

I think the best way to come at this question are more strict/less strict/just right polls, because poll questions like: "As you may know, the Senate recently rejected a proposal to require background checks on people buying guns at gun shows and online."

Are laughably bad.
Your suggestion doesn't tell us anything about what we want to know.

What's your evidence for the bolded?
09-16-2013 , 05:48 PM
Downplaying the NRA's influence and ownership of the GOP is a new tactic. Watch out, you might get a bad grade!
09-16-2013 , 05:53 PM
The majority of purchases already go through background checks. It's the scaremongers who make it think that gun shows are full of private sellers selling things to each other while, in reality, it's mainly licensed gun dealers (who already conduct background checks on all gun sales).

Same with on-line gun sales. It's already currently illegal to sell a gun across state lines without a background check. So sites like gunbroker.com (which are dominated by licensed gun dealers anyway) that allow private people to sell guns on-line, already require the buyer to have the gun shipped to a licensed gun dealer, who has to conduct a background check before letting the buyer have the gun.
09-16-2013 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Yes, and how you could possibly think someone is informed when they hear 'universal background check' but not 'stricter gun laws' is not only baffling, but means you think the NRA is all powerful, which must be crazy scary to you.
This would be super relevant if the poll questions quoted itt contained the words "universal background check."
09-16-2013 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
This would be super relevant if the poll questions quoted itt contained the words "universal background check."
wow, thanks. Using those actual words would have been better than the words used in those polls, which made it seem like the main thrust of the bill was online sales and gun shows, the vast majority of which are already required to employ background checks.
09-16-2013 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
This would be super relevant if the poll questions quoted itt contained the words "universal background check."
BUT IT'S OBVIOUS!
09-16-2013 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The majority of purchases already go through background checks. It's the scaremongers who make it think that gun shows are full of private sellers selling things to each other while, in reality, it's mainly licensed gun dealers (who already conduct background checks on all gun sales).

Same with on-line gun sales. It's already currently illegal to sell a gun across state lines without a background check. So sites like gunbroker.com (which are dominated by licensed gun dealers anyway) that allow private people to sell guns on-line, already require the buyer to have the gun shipped to a licensed gun dealer, who has to conduct a background check before letting the buyer have the gun.
One of the poll questions asked gun owners if they had gone through a background check when they bought their guns. 54% said yes, 46% said no.
09-16-2013 , 05:59 PM
ITT, I learn that 54% is not a majority.
09-16-2013 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
One of the poll questions asked gun owners if they had gone through a background check when they bought their guns. 54% said yes, 46% said no.
does that mean we can use the self defense reporting polls now?
09-16-2013 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
ITT, I learn that 54% is not a majority.
I didn't say you were wrong. Just putting a number on "majority."
09-16-2013 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
ITT, I learn that 54% is not a majority.
BUT IF THEY ASKED A DIFFERENT QUESTION IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE 7%
09-16-2013 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The majority of purchases already go through background checks. It's the scaremongers who make it think that gun shows are full of private sellers selling things to each other while, in reality, it's mainly licensed gun dealers (who already conduct background checks on all gun sales).

Same with on-line gun sales. It's already currently illegal to sell a gun across state lines without a background check. So sites like gunbroker.com (which are dominated by licensed gun dealers anyway) that allow private people to sell guns on-line, already require the buyer to have the gun shipped to a licensed gun dealer, who has to conduct a background check before letting the buyer have the gun.
This has been explained a million times in this AIDS bucket of a thread.

I'm quoting it for no other reason than to bump the count up to a million and one.

      
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