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I love me some Montgomery, Alabama. It's been a terrible year for guns in this city. Several domestic murder-suicides, murder rate exceeded last years total in July. Business aint having it.

http://blog.al.com/montgomery/2013/0...ry_county.html

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MONTGOMERY, Alabama -- The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office has ordered about 3,000 stickers to give out to business owners concerned that gun owners will carry weapons into their establishments.

The stickers feature a handgun in a circle with a line crossed through it, called a null set, indicating that guns aren’t permitted.

The new gun law, which went into effect today, prohibits employers from barring loaded guns from their property -- as long as they remain in a locked car. Employers, though, won’t be held responsible if injuries or damages that may occur.

Business owners can place a sticker or a sign on their door indicating guns aren’t allowed in their establishments, Montgomery County Sheriff D.T. Marshall said.

“We have requests for literally hundreds of them,” he said of the stickers, adding that they should be in his office on Monday.

08-05-2013 , 11:55 PM

#12577

DrewOnTilt

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Wak can wake me up when he gives a **** about the 4th, 5th, or 14th amendments.

Wrong thread. This is where anti gun people come to pat each other on the back. The 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments are mocked elsewhere.

08-05-2013 , 11:58 PM

#12578

WaKtickets

grinder

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I don't feel it's my right to decide which constitutional rights I get to observe....Not sure why other people feel differently

08-06-2013 , 02:38 AM

#12579

Mexibastardhawk

adept

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Originally Posted by towelsabove55

Of course that idea is long gone now that police own grenades, tanks, planes and machine guns so it is kind of a lost battle at this point.

Not really. Still way more regular sort of citizens than government agents. Way more. Way way more.

08-06-2013 , 10:23 AM

#12580

drugsarebad

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,692

So in a shocking turn of events, the guy who shot up a town meeting in PA yesterday is a rabid gun nut.

https://www.facebook.com/rockne1865

08-06-2013 , 11:37 AM

#12581

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

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Originally Posted by towelsabove55

What about the fact that people have rights to defend themselves, and to prevent any type of overwhemingly powerful tyranny from arising, which is codified in the constitution?

Gun owners have never violently stood up to tyranny, even legitimate tyranny that has happened in the United States, and indeed, the only freedom they even boast that they'll defend violently is when the government comes for their own guns.

08-06-2013 , 12:16 PM

#12582

kurto

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Originally Posted by lol i play 2NL

I'm not bashing 'Murica, I'm specifically asking why is it purely the USA that needs these laws to protect themselves from "insert whatever here"? I don't understand the usual arguments when any sane person can look at the rest of the world and realise they're just not relevant?
Seems to me like political dick waggling and nothing else but maybe us Euros are missing something? If it's not just politics at this point I really don't get it....

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Originally Posted by WaKtickets

Our country was founded on the freedom to do as we pleased. Had we not had guns in the 18th century, we could still be under British rule. With the increasing lack of morals and decision making, I want to be able to protect my family 1st and foremost. It had been said that after Pearl Harbor, the only thing that kept Japan from invading US soil was that so many Americans are armed and ready to defend! Guns are nothing an average person should be afraid of. It was instilled in me from an early age to RESPECT firearms, but not to fear them. Like many things, the object is not the danger, the danger is in whomever is using the object.

as this post demonstrates, we also have a lot of horrible right wing media that scares a lot of people into thinking society is on the verge of collapse and without their guns their families will be destroyed. (See any US special on apocalypse preppers for a good laugh) If you are fringe RW you know that at any moment there could be a Race War, or the UN Black Helicopters could take over, etc.

They even believe things like Japan was stopped in WWII because they were afraid of gun wielding american families.

08-06-2013 , 01:46 PM

#12583

WaKtickets

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

1776

08-06-2013 , 01:48 PM

#12584

WaKtickets

grinder

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Originally Posted by kurto

While I'll concede that we don';t have any down the middle unbiased media anymore, I would much rather listen to advice that would protect my family if the collapse ever came to fruition, then advice that everything is great, Barry Obama is our savior, and we just need to listen to the gov't and everything will get better! I'm not in the business of depending on anyone else for more then I need too.

08-06-2013 , 01:53 PM

#12585

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by WaKtickets

1776

This, of course, was not private gun owners, but a conventional military force, with, you know, generals and stuff, and it would have been completely crushed if not for aid from the French conventional military. And, of course, the "tyranny" was slightly higher taxes. Not a single **** was given when Japanese citizens were rounded up and put in camps.

08-06-2013 , 03:59 PM

#12586

kevinb1983

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Originally Posted by towelsabove55

But the police regularly subdue US citizens, day to day, and they are able to do this because they have much bigger guns than citizens.

By guns you mean jails right? I've never known anyone who's run from or complied with the police because of the size of their guns. They run/comply because they don't want to get locked the **** up in jail.

08-06-2013 , 04:34 PM

#12587

kurto

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Originally Posted by WaKtickets

Listening to advice on how to protect your family from non-existent threats is not really helping you. In fact, its likely doing more harm then good.

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then advice that everything is great, Barry Obama is our savior, and we just need to listen to the gov't and everything will get better! I'm not in the business of depending on anyone else for more then I need too.

There is literally no media that is saying this. The above only exists in the minds of people who gorge on right wing propaganda.

08-06-2013 , 08:34 PM

#12588

Pilkain

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Not a single **** was given when Japanese citizens were rounded up and put in camps.

Really Wookie? Not one?

08-06-2013 , 08:44 PM

#12589

All-In Flynn

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Well OK, maybe gun enthusiasts gave multiple ****s. Amazingly, it seemed to have no discernible effect. Happy?

But aside from the tens of thousands of ****s given, were any shots fired?

08-06-2013 , 08:46 PM

#12590

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by Pilkain

Really Wookie? Not one?

Plenty of armed American those days to help free those Americans from American tyranny too. Trained even!

08-06-2013 , 10:07 PM

#12591

Pilkain

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Amazing that there was no outcry about the treatment of Japanese Americans during a world war right after Pearl Harbor.

08-06-2013 , 10:13 PM

#12592

rjoefish

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And that's how you handwave tyranny and racism in one nice little sentence.

08-06-2013 , 11:21 PM

#12593

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by Pilkain

Amazing that there was no outcry about the treatment of Japanese Americans during a world war right after Pearl Harbor.

American citizens in California blew up the USS Arizona?

Edit: I guess I phrased my earlier post poorly when I said "Japanese citizens." I should have said "American citizens of Japanese descent."

08-07-2013 , 12:05 AM

#12594

Pilkain

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

And that's how you handwave tyranny and racism in one nice little sentence.

Racism and two nations at war are not the same. Please convince me otherwise...

08-07-2013 , 12:06 AM

#12595

MrWookie

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Japanese-Americans were at war with America? If you would argue they were, were German-Americans at war with America?

08-07-2013 , 12:08 AM

#12596

rjoefish

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Soon he'll be defending fire bombing mosques.

08-07-2013 , 12:40 AM

#12597

Pilkain

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

Soon he'll be defending fire bombing mosques.

Rjoefish on extrapolation that makes no sense. It's pretty obvious that after Pearl Harbor, anti Japanese sentiment would be high in the US. Does that excuse the internment of Japanese Americans? No. Please carry on with the racism accusations...

08-07-2013 , 12:55 AM

#12598

rjoefish

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It makes perfect sense. After 9/11 anti Muslim sentiment was also high.

08-07-2013 , 01:15 AM

#12599

Pilkain

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Perfect sense? What nation attacked the USA on 9/11?

08-07-2013 , 01:18 AM

#12600

rjoefish

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You said an event created a negative attitude towards a group of people and handwaved away the tyranny and racism that ensued. Please explain why the negative attitude towards Muslims afterward 9/11 is different. Is the anti Muslim attitude that came about after 9/11 not something that can be handwaved away because it wasn't an attack by a nation? What makes these situations different?

Keep in mind we invaded 2 countries over 9/11...

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