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11-25-2012 , 11:53 AM

#101

grizy

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There is a positive correlation between causation and positive correlation.

11-25-2012 , 12:26 PM

#102

EricLindros

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Key

sample size, bro

Ditto.

11-25-2012 , 12:29 PM

#103

simplicitus

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Last edited by simplicitus; 11-25-2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason: saw it over thanksgiving, kinda meh

11-25-2012 , 02:03 PM

#104

champstark

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If you guys want to believe that guns reduce crime, go right ahead. Doesn't mean you are right.

11-25-2012 , 02:06 PM

#105

Trolly McTrollson

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guys, the gun thread(s) is(are) down the hall.

11-25-2012 , 02:16 PM

#106

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

If you guys want to believe that guns reduce crime, go right ahead. Doesn't mean you are right.

i think the point is that gun-control-nuts always say that banning guns will reduce crime. here we have a massive increase in gun ownership and instead of crime increasing it has been decreasing. this clearly implies that either gun ownership has little to do with crime, or it actually does reduce crime.

OR other factors have been so greatly improved (...) that the huge negative impact guns have has been offset!

11-25-2012 , 02:30 PM

#107

NeBlis

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

If you guys want to believe that guns reduce crime, go right ahead. Doesn't mean you are right.

No one said that, even though it is likely true. The thing that has been proven over and over and over again and again is that moar guns != more crime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

guys, the gun thread(s) is(are) down the hall.

I looked and couldn't find it but i am lazy

11-25-2012 , 03:52 PM

#108

dessin d'enfant

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Banning guns could reduce crime even if increase in gun ownership doesn't increase crime (which hasn't been proved or argued competently for obv).

11-25-2012 , 03:54 PM

#109

dessin d'enfant

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Then I can say extremely comfortably you aren't familiar enough with the pro gun argument to comment.

You can guess (or maybe you can't) how much weight I put in this.

11-25-2012 , 04:01 PM

#110

DblBarrelJ

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I'm sure it's under what it should be.

You proved my point later on ITT btw, discussing your family member who is in some type of militia or something.

I assume you believe that to be a normal part of gun ownership?

11-25-2012 , 05:06 PM

#111

rjoefish

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Yeah, it's called the NRA.

11-25-2012 , 05:13 PM

#112

DblBarrelJ

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Hmm. I've never heard of NRA militia tactics training.

Can you link it or did you pull it out of your ass?

11-25-2012 , 05:26 PM

#113

rjoefish

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I was just going off the back of that dude's shirt from the other day.

11-25-2012 , 05:27 PM

#114

DblBarrelJ

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BTW, even though rjoe is just trolling it up here, if anyone else is interested in what the actual NRA's actual position on militias are, here you go:

Quote:

BE IT REAFFIRMED AND RESOLVED THAT:

The NRA vehemently disavows any connection with, or tacit approval of, any club or individual which advocates (1) the overthrow of duly constituted government authority, (2) subversive activities directed at any government, (3) the establishment or maintenance of private armies or group violence.

The NRA does not approve or support any group activities that properly belong to the national defense or the police.

The NRA does not approve or support any group that by force, violence, or subversion seeks to overthrow the Government and take the law into its own hands, or that endorses or espouses doctrines of operation in an extralegal manner.

The NRA stands squarely on the premise that the ownership of firearms must not be denied American citizens of good repute so long as the firearms are used for lawful purposes.

The NRA has insisted, does insist, and will continue to insist on the traditional right of American citizens to own and use firearms for lawful purposes.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT:

Although the NRA has not been involved in the formation of any citizen militia units, neither has the NRA discouraged, nor would NRA contemplate discouraging, exercise of any constitutional right.

The NRA strongly supports the Constitution of the United States, and the Second Amendment to that document, which guarantee the right of citizens to participate in militias for proper, lawful and constitutional purposes.

Source
So no, the NRA is not in fact behind the whackjobs in the forest training for Red Dawn.

11-25-2012 , 05:30 PM

#115

Mayo

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WOLVERINES!!!

11-25-2012 , 05:30 PM

#116

rjoefish

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From 1994 yo. Things have changed.

11-25-2012 , 05:46 PM

#117

DblBarrelJ

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Last statement I can find. I'm not a member of the NRA, I dislike the fact that they cave to anti gun types too often.

I'm on my phone, if you can find a better statement I apologize. I found that and a few LOLHuffPo articles where Wayne LaPierre made some statements bitching about the economy and crime, and something something "WOLVERINES" came from it, but it was that standard "it's a dog-whistle" rhetoric.

11-25-2012 , 05:51 PM

#118

dessin d'enfant

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

No....I'd be willing to bet my cousin is below average even for guns rights nut. Granted, it's no surprise he is attracted to guns rights as a hobby and not math, poker etc. And he's not in a militia. He goes around and shoots guns in the woods with his friends preparing for the upcoming invasion of the federal government since Obama got reelected.

11-25-2012 , 06:02 PM

#119

DblBarrelJ

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Boy this truly is a scripted liberal debate. Now we've transitioned from "You guys are racists who want to "GUN DOWN THA BLACK UTES!" to "You guys are dumb".

What's next, a "Yo Momma" joke?

11-25-2012 , 06:04 PM

#120

tomdemaine

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If taking people's guns is as difficult as keeping this nonsense out of the LC thread obama has no chance.

11-25-2012 , 06:24 PM

#121

DblBarrelJ

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/monthly gun tangent

11-25-2012 , 06:32 PM

#122

Trolly McTrollson

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I you guys can't figure how to start a new gun control thread, I don't think society should trust your ability to safely operate firearms.

11-25-2012 , 06:42 PM

#123

FlyWf

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DBL, didn't you get angry at people who noted that gun nuts are paranoid weirdos with a troubling fetish for fantasizing about the opportunity to shoot people?

Beyond that I'm pretty sure the Persian invasion had nothing to do with taking away Sparta's guns(also the 300 died and so were probably pretty disarmed imo. I was a little worried when you guys didn't stick around to the end of The Boy Who Cried Wolf, but now you can't even sit still through an action movie?), lol, that picture is exactly what we were LOLing about. ****ing weirdos.

Last edited by FlyWf; 11-25-2012 at 06:48 PM.

11-25-2012 , 06:46 PM

#124

FlyWf

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Also there's no way to untangle the anti-UN, pro-race war, pro-coming financial apocalypse, 2nd amendment remedy stuff. It's not like those come in individual packages, there aren't people who are VERY VERY SERIOUS about dying before allowing their guns to be confiscated but think the economy is fine, that Obama is pretty moderate center left American citizen who was lawfully elected, etc.

11-25-2012 , 06:55 PM

#125

DblBarrelJ

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The issue is that you're unable to grasp two things:

1) The majority of gun rights advocates do not hold uniform beliefs that extend far beyond "No gun control".

And just as a general lesson on debating:

2) No matter the subject, when your arguments are so well beaten that you must cling desperately to the commentary of fringe nut cases and strawman those into the positions of an entire movement, you've lost and should quit.

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