Lol - its like the simplest explanation.RAGE!

So ITT we've got rjoe doing this:



And Fly attempting his standard attempt to vaguely link gun owners to weirdo Conspiratards and racists and kooks.

"Accidental death outside of store. Cause of death: gun. Could just have easily been a knife."

Everytime I read these threads I picture a 5'2" neblis just fuming and wrapping and unwrapping his hands from a gun that looks freakishly large in his Asian lady size hands.

When I posted that link earlier today I was hoping for a good discussion on the potential merits of sensible gun control vis-a-vis the need to respect the constitutional protections afforded by the 2nd Amendment. I am pleased at the scholarly debate that has arisen, and I have learned a great deal which will have significant impact on my political opinions in the future.

Well played for sure.

Aren't you the one that claimed logic doesn't work on you, and that you need appeals of emotion to be swayed?

My juvenile emotions have been swayed to great lulz.

So, isn't what happened in that article much worse for the gun nut guys than what dbj et al thinks the headline is implying. Like if whatever ****** that was handling the gun at the time had taken a short course on gun safety, maybe he wouldn't have accidentally killed a kid. Or if he didn't have a gun he wouldn't have killed the kid. Because if it was a criminal that killed the kid, he's gonna have a gun anyways if they are banned.

Yeah my working theory is all the dumbass bickering about semantics arose as a distraction from that actual issue. DBJ neeeded something to say do he didn't call this kid's death an appeal to emotion

Goofball, you claim do be good with numbers.

Please tell us the percentage of US citizens killed yearly by gun deaths vs the US population.

I await your response.

Clearly, attempting to frame this argument as something everyone seems to agree is false shouldn't be addressed for some reason.

Back to Fly, perhaps he can explain his basis for his apparent theory NeBlis and I hate Jews. Or maybe he wasn't talking specifically about us something something **** it it's Fly who really knows or cares what he's babbling incoherently about.

I don't claim to be, I am.

I'm sure you don't need help looking up a basic statistic and doing some division.

Yea, I felt quite certain you weren't going to broadcast the minuscule fraction of a percentile of risk you're whining about.

Why is that? In many other arguments you seem to rely heavily on statistics, logic etc. Why on this topic do you go so emo?

It's of course a tragedy, and of course NeBlis and I (and many other gun rights advocates ITF) have rallied hard behind the idea of incredibly stiff penalties for Negligent Discharges causing injury, but none of that matters. You guys have a story. A single, solitary incident upon which to build an argument.

This is kind of the way of the entire Gun Control movement FWIW, you are not alone. A good example; what percentage of gun violence would you estimate is typically perpetrated using so called "assault weapons"? Also, how many US citizens on US soil would you estimated have ever died at the hands of a .50 BMG Sniper rifle, excluding Military personnel killed in training accidents?

The actual issue is that the man in the story is a criminally stupid person who killed his own son because of that negligent stupidity. But of course if you read the story it seems that the gun did it not the imbecil.

You didn't read the story, did you?

Also DBL making a interesting new argument. Tens of thousands of Americans die every year, but it's not a big enough percentage?

If it was a bigger percentage, would owning guns stop being a NATURAL HUMAN RIGHT FROM GOD??!?!?!? A right that is under CONSTANT ATTACK from random AP stringers and crime scene clip art?

(the exact composition and plan of this conspiracy is not fleshed out, of course)

+1

Yes I did. The father did not check that the gun was clear, then he pointed it at his son, then he pulled the trigger. Every one of those is gross negligence.

Good point. If I don't post gun deaths statistics in this thread how will we ever know what they are?!??!?!?????

Thanks for proving my point.

Lol @ adding Russia to that graph.

Are you going to explain your fixation on gun deaths? Why are gun death rates more important than murder rates and suicide rates? Russia, for example, has a murder rate over double that of the United States. How could that be with so few guns available to everyday Russian citizens?

Just went with G-8 countries. Didn't want to cherry pick the data and get into a whole thing about who is included/excluded.

DBJ asked about gun deaths specifically.

It's funny, the reason I have the energy to argue with you, even though it's clear you're beyond any capacity for reason, is this thread in the religion forum. Where lots of people talk about having found their way out of religion as a result of reading stuff on the internet. So maybe someone somewhere is reading your blathering and realizing how crazy the gun-folk actually are.