I just said they shifted. I don't know the exact reason why. I bet sandy hook is a big part, but it could be any one (or all) of the mass shootings that are pushing this trend.

Looks like rjoe has my back. Even with the image I was thinking of.

My graph was a Gallup poll also (from USA Today). Your vague question shows that more people think "something should be done". But a specific question show that people's thoughts really didn't change that much.

Specific question showing things "shifted":



If you're going to try and switch what he said and cherry pick some things that didn't move that much then lol you I guess.

ETA: More from that gallup survey you got that graph from (you know, the one titled: Americans Want Stricter Gun Laws, Still Oppose Bans)



So again: that graph, in response to what he said, doesn't prove what you think it does.

I wonder what % of americans think the 2nd amendment (as how it's interpreted now, and perhaps not how it may have been intended) causes much more harm for american society than what society gains from it. Is it anywhere near 25%?

So, um, if more guns = more safety, why do so many gun shows prevent people (even folks with concealed carry permits) from carrying loaded guns at the show?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ety/?mobile=wp

I only mentioned it because of the weird twinkle in his (her?) eye when mentioning the mormons.

I don't think I've ever stolen from the comments section, but here you go:

Rule #1 when handling a weapon is to ensure the weapon is unloaded, then treat it as if it were loaded anyway.

And I'm 100% sure that the people running the show have armed security at the show.

That makes sense for the people selling the guns LDO but people bringing in their CCW guns aren't there to test them out. I'm not taking my CCW gun into a gun show to maybe buy it.

It makes wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more sense to have 100% of the guns on the floor unloaded to prevent 'oops I thought it was unloaded'.

I just thought you told me these people treated every gun like it was loaded? Haven't we devoted a ton of verbiage ITT as to how responsible, accurate and well-trained these CCW people are? Many have said they're much better even than policemen. But now we can't trust them, and they make mistakes, and unless we make 100% sure they can't fire their gun, they're putting other people in danger? Gee, sure makes me want to have CCW guys all over the shopping mall!

It's not the CCW guys that you should be worried about at gunshows. It's randoms at the gun show who are handling weapons. It makes more sense for 100% of the guns on the floor to be unloaded because of untrained people handling weapons.

You know, like this idiot:

All those parents should be charged with endangerment. Just like your hero above.

Edit: Assuming those aren't airsoft or BB guns obviously.

Re-Edit: I have no problems at all with harsh penalties for those who treat guns like toys and don't properly respect their power.

Whose hero what now?

Yeah, I do not know who that picture is of.

The gun shows could very easily declare that no guns may be loaded, unless you show your CCW permit at the door. Instead, they specifically prohibit even the esteemed CCW permit holders from carrying loaded weapons.

Obviously letting a baby put an airsoft or bb gun in their mouth is perfectly okay.

You bring your 10 year old Glock 26 to the gun show. You see a brand new Glock 26 at the gun show so you decide to handle them both to see how they compare. The gun show guy accidentally takes your gun and puts it in his display case. The next guy comes in, looks at your loaded gun and wants to see how the trigger feels . . .

That's the situation gun shows are trying to prevent. People everywhere are handling guns, some not very well trained. As others have said, you want to be safe and make sure that there are no accidental discharges.

it's your rep or senator

they will shift again in about 6 months, unless the media keeps drilling home Newtown...

Fair enough, I'm pretty sure my views have changed with all these mass killings. While watching piers Morgan yesterday, I actually agree with what he proposed. Background checks for all gun sales and a ban on high capacity magazines. I think that is completely fair. There are just so many arguing for no restrictions and so many arguing for a ban. I think the answer is compromise. At least I can rest assured that congress is on the job!

Just curious what you mean by this?

Presumably there are going to be investigations to cover, lawsuits, etc. so why wouldn't it be in the news?

Obviously if people are still upset about 20 dead kids in a classroom it's because THE MEDIA JUST WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT!

It's well known that the Hitler regime came to power largely because of the "grass roots" Brown Shirt movement, which consisted largely of economically disenfranchised and uneducated rural types who were being squeezed and left behind by the evolution of Germany.

They were able to (using mostly fists, bats, knives, and numbers) intimidate political speech and opposition, and dominate or shut down town hall meetings and that sort of thing. Some experts on fascism call this kind of grass roots groundswell focused on a "purity" of political opposition and membership to be the darkest and most ominous sign of looming fascism, and many saw shades of it in the "Tea Party" thing that Fox created out of whole cloth and now has absolutely zero control over.

In any event, its potentially worse when all the fascist goons are armed to the teeth. In Greece, we've seen that the police departments have found it easier and safer to simply join up with the fascists, with whom they are after all ethnically identical, and now virtually all of the cops in Greece are literally Nazis--they literally call themselves Nazis.

Think it can't happen here? Morons like Drudge and Gutfeld are diligently pouring gasoline on the open fire everyday.