its not regardless, thats the whole point. what should be uncontroversial has become an intellectual waterloo for a bunch of guys who would flunk out of a community college statistics class all of a sudden becoming internet experts.

i agree its obviously more complex and just because more guns=more crime does not mean more regulation.

when you say no one in their right mind would dispute that more cars=more death in a thread where people still have not acknowledged that more guns=more murder i think thats pretty awesome.

the point is we put speed limits on the roads because the utility of everyone being allowed to drive whatever speed they want has been decided to not be worth the negative effects of such policy. we also believe that setting a speed limit at too low of a point will lower deaths but decrease the utility of using cars to an unacceptable amount.

thats all this argument should be- balancing the utility of gun ownership/usage against its negative effect (more people die), where someone sets that line is their preference (i can think the speed limit should be 75 you say 55 thats 2 people being rational and disagreeing). you can say you are comfortable where gun regulation is but by blocking sensible gun regulations you are comfortable with more people dying than if guns were restricted just as i am aware by setting the speed limit higher more people would die as a result- it doesnt make you or me evil necessarily but in this thread very few have gotten to this point of even acknowledging this.

Because automatic means something while assault weapons means nothing

The guy on Piers now is just as dumb as Jones but less entertaining due to no shouting.

Trying to say there were 970 gun related murders in the UK in 2011. Lol ppl.

wat.

automatic weapons aren't illegal.

you have to pay an extra $200 fee to get them.

Seriously, if hosts like Piers Morgan really wanna sway public opinion on this issue then they should have raving idiots like Alex Jones on his show all the time. Even if the guy happens to say something reasonable or true you won't notice because all you think while watching him drench the host with spit is "keep this mother ****er and people like him away from firearms"

Hey, guess what?



But also, let me know when I can go into a shopping mall with a megaphone and kill 12 people with my speech, and then have someone allegedly threaten to yell at me, causing me to go run off into a stairwell and yell at myself until I die.

Isn't French aid one of the things lol texas has taken out of some textbooks?

whickerda, you may have missed it, but Alex Jones did not come off well and parroting that is not a good idea.

Bolded sounds about right. Iyo what would make this thread less LOL 'tard'tastic? And what exactly can a six year old understand that the 'tards don't?

Yikes. lol texas indeed.

The 13 colonies were not just a rag tag group of gun owners.

Interesting analysis Case Closed. Buddy came in saying that article was brilliant, seems less so. Too bad the Supreme Court has ruled, twice, that banning handguns would be unconstitutional. That is to say, too bad for those who want less people to be murdered in the long run.

One of the things that this thread always makes me think of is what America would be like with a gun ban in place. It seems that those advocating such a ban believe it would yield utopia. I wonder how long after a ban guns would remain in the US if a ban were passed.

Would our government try to disarm the general public? What weapons would those who wish to do harm turn to? Would a black market bring a flood of weapons in to the US illegally?

All the talk about a militia overthrowing the govt is absurd. I believe gun legislation must exist hand in hand with respect for the second amendment in order to pass. In the USA we don't revolt against the govt, we just vote out politicians.

when you say it seem that those advocating such a ban believe it would yield utopia, name one post in 7600 in this thread that has led you to this thought.

There's already a flood of weapons in the US legally, hard to imagine a black market being any worse.

Come on Pilkain, the slippery slope "they gunna take all the guns" argument is so awful. We have more guns per capita in Canada then you do and tried a gun registry program that I believe is technically still in place. While it's been an awful waste of money and executed poorly, it shows that a government can at least attempt at some sort of responsible gun control without coming for all the guns. Just was bad that the liberal government that tried it was 100x more incompetent then whatever your opinion of the dems is.

So the "intellectuals" get to call me redneck, Bubba, delusional, idiotic etc. and I have to be nice and respectful. OK, I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the lesson.

Clearly you've never played Skyrim

OK ,so if I add "with a gun" to the "right to defend myself" line it would all be good? That was worthwhile.

To address these silly taser and ICBM arguments:

If your wife/mother/daughter/sister found herself alone in a dark parking lot being approached by 2 men carrying knives who look like the "you gonna get raped" guy what would you rather she had:

A. A Taser
B. A Glock with 17 rounds of 9mm

No BS answers like cell phone, the cops are minutes away and she has seconds. Pepper spray is just going to piss them off. Pick one.

Do you think the reason that ICBM's aren't privately owned is because it's illegal? If so, any money you spent on education should be returned immediately.

Well, at least you read it. I disagree with most of your critique of course, but that's to be expected. The good/evil stuff is out of character from him, but I give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he means people intent on committing crimes and is being lazy with his wording.

You ever been pepper sprayed?

In the U.S. handguns account for 34% of guns and 89% of gun murders.

edit

Yes I have, You ever been raped?

in a manner of speaking

Pepper spray and firearms aren't in the same league. I'm not saying pepper spray is useless, but a it's not even close to being as effective as a firearm and training in a situation where your life might be at stake.

did being pepper sprayed piss you off, or did it somewhat incapacitate you in any fashion, like making breathing hard, or vision blurry, or whatever?