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12-03-2012 , 10:31 PM

#601

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Odds the squatter needs help getting back to his feet?

Dude's unlocked the dual wield skill. Legit badass imo.

12-03-2012 , 10:34 PM

#602

prana

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lol @ that pic. If it weren't for the fatties, I'd swear it was a Beastie Boys video ala Sabotage.

12-03-2012 , 10:45 PM

#603

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12-03-2012 , 10:52 PM

#604

DblBarrelJ

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Originally Posted by goofball

I mean, if you insist in drawing this line and using "Have you ever committed a crime with your gun yes/no" as the distinguishing metric, then fine, but there is then plenty of cross over between your other category (would/wouldn't give up a gun if it were illegal)

So what's the point? Do you believe you can logically prove that this act would make them more prone to violence against innocent citizens?

I mean I'm not saying that I'm gonna go all Ruby Ridge, but I will say I'm not going to go down and toss my property into a pile to appease the fascists on my own volition. They're gonna have to come find them.

12-03-2012 , 10:54 PM

#605

goofball

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

No idea what your first paragraph says

12-03-2012 , 11:28 PM

#606

DblBarrelJ

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Yea, it pretty much wafflecrushes you.

I'd ignore it too IIWY.

12-03-2012 , 11:54 PM

#607

rjoefish

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Who would have known that would be DBL's response?

12-04-2012 , 04:05 AM

#608

goofball

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DBJ,

Are you unwilling to acknowledge that these two might still be alive, had there not been a gun in that house?

12-04-2012 , 07:12 AM

#609

DblBarrelJ

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Might?

Sure.

Then again she might be alive were she armed.

I mean she might have survived the shooting were she wearing a bullet proof vest.

He might have slipped and fallen and shot himself while attempting to shoot her.

He might have stabbed her to death with a kitchen knife.

He might have beat her to death with a bat.

12-04-2012 , 09:28 AM

#610

Goodie

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Yeah, but he definately killed her and himself because he had a gun in the house.

Nice job making our point!!!

12-04-2012 , 10:19 AM

#611

Low Key

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So your interpretation was literally that his motive for a murder/suicide was because there was a gun in the house?

And if this is true:

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Firearms account for 50 percent of all suicides.

how are the other 50% managing to kill themselves, or even finding the motivation to?

12-04-2012 , 10:48 AM

#612

Goodie

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Originally Posted by Low Key

So your interpretation was literally that his motive for a murder/suicide was because there was a gun in the house?

And if this is true:

how are the other 50% managing to kill themselves, or even finding the motivation to?

No, that's not my interpretation. My interpretation is that it was much easier for him to kill his girlfriend and himself because he had a gun in the house. Of course he could have done it either way but the gun (that I see absolutely no good reason for him to have) made it easier.

12-04-2012 , 11:21 AM

#613

ForumWithdrawal

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Her staying out so late at the concert (with a kid at home I see absolutely no good reason for her to have done that) started the problem.

Had BOWFLEX not made their wires so strong, the Chris Benoit tragedy would have never occurred.

12-04-2012 , 08:22 PM

#614

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any idea how easy it is to get pure KCN?

12-04-2012 , 09:38 PM

#615

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Originally Posted by Goodie

This is an absurd argument.

The only time this argument comes close to passing for reasonable logic is when discussing situations where someone is murdered in the heat of passion, example of walking in on a spouse having sex with another.

This was thought through and planned.

Had he lived in a world without guns, there were millions of other ways he could've accomplished his murder/suicide plan.

12-04-2012 , 09:48 PM

#616

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Originally Posted by goofball

DBJ,

Are you unwilling to acknowledge that these two might still be alive, had there not been a gun in that house?

Yeah because guns are the only way to go nuts and kill yourself and others.

12-04-2012 , 09:49 PM

#617

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Yeah, but he definately killed her and himself because he had a gun in the house.

Nice job making our point!!!

NO he killed he because he was an insane piece of human garbage. He did it with a gun... he could have used many other tools

12-04-2012 , 10:34 PM

#618

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Originally Posted by airwave16

any idea how easy it is to get pure KCN?

omg, did I just see you outside a grocery store the other day?

no, wait, that guy wanted K2, my bad

12-04-2012 , 10:54 PM

#619

dessin d'enfant

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

This was thought through and planned.

Had he lived in a world without guns, there were millions of other ways he could've accomplished his murder/suicide plan.

Wat? (This is poor quality even for you)

12-04-2012 , 11:08 PM

#620

DblBarrelJ

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I know there's massive correlation between gun control advocates and basic logical fails, so perhaps recent history may help:

A local GA case that made the national news.

12-04-2012 , 11:15 PM

#621

dessin d'enfant

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

I know there's massive correlation between gun control advocates and basic logical fails, so perhaps recent history may help:

A local GA case that made the national news.

Lol at being called out on logic itt of all places.....but do you really think the existence of a murder without guns means that every murder that happens would have happened without guns?

Your initial post was terrible because it's pretty clear that the KC murder was not planned....you already admitted that cases of sudden spontaneous rage are far more likely to result in murder if guns are present, so you are really arguing against yourself. Granted, that's prob one of the best ways for one of y'all to actually win an argument.

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12-04-2012 , 11:20 PM

#622

DblBarrelJ

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Again, I know you're struggling here, but I've already stated (6 posts up in post #615) that there's clear correlation between certain types of murder and firearms availability.

This KC case doesn't appear to fit that criteria.

12-04-2012 , 11:29 PM

#623

dessin d'enfant

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Yes it does. This isn't largely different from the wife in bed scenario. He was up that early after a night of drinking because he had a mandatory meeting which he almost certainly planned on attending when he entered his house, started arguing etc. It was clearly heat of passion.

12-04-2012 , 11:38 PM

#624

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According to the womans mother this was a long running issue.

Certain specific situations have been clinically shown to draw a sudden violent response in some patients.

These violent reactions are brought on by reactions best described as traumatic in nature. Routine disagreements haven't been shown to cause a large number of homicidal outbursts in people of sound mind.

Now, toss in some brain damage and some performance enhancing drugs and you may have a case.