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12-24-2012 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ForumWithdrawal
They want to pass microstamping on firing pins for guns. The idea is the serial number for the gun has a paper trail (even if there is no gun registration but just sales records) and the casing that is found would have the number embedded when fired meaning they could match it to the gun.

All someone would need once enacted is a few seconds with a file and the firing pin would no longer have the stamp. Or replace the pin completely. But it would mean more cost for manufacturing. Some other idea would probably be needed to actually work.
I'm pretty sure that at least the FBI lab can match the firing pin on a lot of weapons to an ejected shell already.
12-24-2012 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2353981.html

"British Citizen and CNN television host Piers Morgan is engaged in a hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment. We demand that Mr. Morgan be deported immediately for his effort to undermine the Bill of Rights and for exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens."

The petition, which has been submitted on a White House website, has received over 12,000 signatures.

LOL, a banner day for gun nuts everywhere.
For the record we dont want him back.

It is pretty lol calling on the state to violate the 5th amendment and the 1st amendment to stop a guy who in their words is trying to "undermine the Bill of Rights".
12-24-2012 , 02:20 PM
I wasn't aware British people were covered under the bill of rights

12-24-2012 , 02:25 PM
The United States gov't will never take away my (1) firearm. If they attempt to do so, there'd be more bloodshed in trying to take it than leaving me alone.

Come at me now!!!1
12-24-2012 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I wasn't aware British people were covered under the bill of rights

I wasnt aware the right to due process and free speech doesnt apply to non-citizens when in America.

Thanks for another lesson in constitutions dr ikes.
12-24-2012 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
I wasnt aware the right to due process and free speech doesnt apply to non-citizens when in America.

Thanks for another lesson in constitutions dr ikes.
Before getting all pissy means joking jeebus.
12-24-2012 , 02:55 PM
My god these gun laws are simply not working.





http://www.inquisitr.com/452858/nbc-...e-press-video/
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David Gregory — gun law violator?

The internet is abuzz with the possibility that bigtime gun control advocate David Gregory, the host of NBC’s Meet the Press, may have himself violated strict District of Columbia gun regulations on national television. NBC studios are located in the northwest section of the nation’s capital.

During this morning’s contentious interview with the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre (see video below), Gregory waived around a high-capacity ammunition clip as a prop. He probably thought it was very cool and dramatic to do so. Assuming the clip was real rather than a dummy (and that is an assumption at this point), however, Gregory appears to possibly be in violation of DC gun laws according to the blogosphere. The Patriot Perspective website indicates that Gregory’s prop may be a 30-round AR-15 magazine.
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DC Code 7-2506.o1 makes it a crime to “possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm.” Large capacity is defined as containing more than 10 rounds.

smh
12-24-2012 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ForumWithdrawal
My god these gun laws are simply not working.





http://www.inquisitr.com/452858/nbc-...e-press-video/





smh

perfect example of why we need federal nation wide gun control laws instead of this idiotic system where we let states decide their own.
12-24-2012 , 03:05 PM
Yeah, it's really tough for someone working in TV to get a prop magazine.
12-24-2012 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub-Zer0118
The United States gov't will never take away my (1) firearm. If they attempt to do so, there'd be more bloodshed in trying to take it than leaving me alone.

Come at me now!!!1
No. There won't. You will hand over your gun then go bitch about it on the internet.
12-24-2012 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I wasn't aware British people were covered under the bill of rights

You're also unaware of how natural, inalienable rights work.
12-24-2012 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ForumWithdrawal
I'm surprised that none of the guys that Piers Morgan brings on to the show to debate with, bring up the Cumbria massacre in the UK in 2010.

12 dead
11 injured

Double Barrel Shotgun
Bolt action .22
Sure, let's talk about this. The Cumbria guy wrought this carnage over the span of nearly 4 hours. Adam Lanza shot all of his victims multiple times to ensure they were dead, and he killed as many people as the Cumbria guy killed OR injured, and he did it in the span of about 20 minutes.

Of course bolt action rifles and shotguns and revolvers can kill people. They kill people quite well. No one is arguing that if people only had bolt action 30-06s, there would be no mass shootings. However, such weapons are not as efficient at killing large quantities of people in crowded areas as a semiautomatic rifle with a large magazine. The argument is that without semiautomatic rifles with large magazines, the body count from these shootings would be lower, the authorities would have more time to respond before the shooter could reach the same body count, unarmed people at the scene would have more opportunities to tackle the shooter, and hell, even some CCW Rambo would stand a better chance against him.
12-24-2012 , 03:15 PM
as much as I like to lolikes, he was pretty clearly kidding there dudes
12-24-2012 , 03:31 PM
The line between joking and serious is never clear when lolikes.

Re: The Cumbria shooting, the biggest thing to learn from that is statistically more than twice as many people died that day in America from gunshot wounds than died in one of the few major shootings the UK has ever had in its history.

The UK has a strict licensing scheme with limits to what guns you can buy but statistically its certain that at some point someone will flip out and kill some people with their legally owned rifle/shotgun. But basically the UK timeline for mass shootings is Hungerford in 87, Dunblane in 96, then Cumbria in 2010, then we are waiting for the next to happen.

One mass shooting per decade is a decent trade off for something something (still not clear what the pro-guns guy's core position is, guns are good because guns are good or something similarly circular)
12-24-2012 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
For the record we dont want him back.

It is pretty lol calling on the state to violate the 5th amendment and the 1st amendment to stop a guy who in their words is trying to "undermine the Bill of Rights".
it's a joke phill, calm down.
12-24-2012 , 04:05 PM
This shooting firefighters thing is going to get a lot of play today, when people will be talking quite a bit about the news.
12-24-2012 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
No. There won't. You will hand over your gun then go bitch about it on the internet.
Sorry officer I sold that gun a couple years ago.........
12-24-2012 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by waterwolves
Sorry officer I sold that gun a couple years ago.........
That's part of the problem. Improving the gun situation in this country will take longer than a decade or two imo.
12-24-2012 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
No. There won't. You will hand over your gun then go bitch about it on the internet.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/22/jd...e-makes-gun-co

Probably not
12-24-2012 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
That's part of the problem. Improving the gun situation in this country will take longer than a decade or two imo.
Kinda like improving the drug problem has right?
12-24-2012 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by waterwolves
Sorry officer I sold that gun a couple years ago.........
My stepdad had registered guns and guns the govt didn't know about (in the 70s - because the day they were coming for the guns was just as imminent then as it is now). I would assume if you sell one of the registered guns you need a paper trail.
12-24-2012 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
That's part of the problem. Improving the gun situation in this country will take longer than a decade or two imo.
That's no reason not to start. Adam Lanza's mom probably isn't the kind of person who would keep illegal guns.
12-24-2012 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by waterwolves
Kinda like improving the drug problem has right?
Drug and guns are not analogous in this sense. They just simply are not the same in the slightest. People are not physically addicted to hand guns.

The government can improve our drug problem. Jailing people for possession will not fix the problem. Therapy for people with drug issues will help. Fighting drugs is not the problem, it is our tactics.
12-24-2012 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That's no reason not to start. Adam Lanza's mom probably isn't the kind of person who would keep illegal guns.
Exactly. It will be hard and the first proposed solution may nto be the best one. That should not stop us from trying to improve the country.
12-24-2012 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That's no reason not to start. Adam Lanza's mom probably isn't the kind of person who would keep illegal guns.
So the irresponsible doomsday prepper who taught her crazy son to shoot thing is over with now and now she was a rational law abiding person again?

      
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