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More dead in that bar than died from guns in all of Japan in 2017.

That's the price of freedom, man.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/u...g-victims.html

Agreed, but I've never been a military nut nugger and for quite a while now I've despised all the nut hugging that goes on with the military. It's quite sick imo.

A couple months ago, A.C. Thompson of propublica put out a PBS Frontline documentary called Documenting Hate: Charlottesville, where he investigated and explored the different groups and people involved in the Charlottesville rallies, and other rallies, and in this doc he covered a marine named Vasillios Pistolis who is a neo nazi and is one of those roving gang members that goes across the country commiting violence that well named assured us all doesn't exist.

He ended up being convicted in a court martial for disobeying orders and making false statements, but it was a very light slap on the wrist, because he was literally traveling around the country to different rallies and beating people in the streets.

Apparently the military is infested with white nationalists and their ideology, and the military brass doesn't take the threat of them being trained killers very seriously. A.C. Thompson is putting out another documentary pretty soon which focuses on neo nazis in the military and law enforcement.

Also, a couple months ago I actually read about, and had absoloutely nothing to do with, a person doing investigations of leaked chat logs of the Unite The Right #2 rally in DC. The organizers were organizing in a private facebook group, were infilitrated and all their chat logs were leaked. It turns out one of the organizers who is an ex-marine was dating a police officer in Alabama who was helping organize things involving busses and was actually planning to attend the UTR rally in DC this year. Some antifa wrote an article on it but it's the only thing I've seen as media didn't pick up the story, and I imagine the cop is still on the force in Alabama. And again, I read about this and had nothing to do with it.

https://eugeneantifa.noblogs.org/pos...r2-organizers/

I am always suspicious when the armchair psychologists start tossing around PTSD for anyone who was in the military. By most accounts this guy was an angry sociopath all the way back to his high school days. Some people are just evil and violent, for reasons we may never know.

Agree with the absurd hero worship of the military though.

It's made a lot of people a lot of money and since that's the only real purpose of the US it fits perfectly.

Isn’t the military supposed to weed these guys out?

Bwahahahahahahhaa yeah right.

So certainly all country and western stars have come out demanding stronger gun laws after their audience has become perpetual targets right?

Guess not.

Yup. We forget some of our "heroes" only signed up to kill people and blow stuff up legally.

Not a shooting death but relevant to the discussion at hand.

Ex military dude killed his ex wife in cold blood at Seattle Center yesterday. Stabbed her multiple times in the neck. Said the killing was ironic because "while he was in the military he didn't get to kill Taliban or anything like that." Then said "The woman I loved is my first confirmed kill."

****ing horrific. He did it with their son in the vicinity. Absolutely monstrous.

mother of person killed in latest shooting:

"I don't want prayers, I don't want thoughts, I want gun control"

dude was also at that las vegas concert that got shot up

Final Destination VIII

Or perhaps there just aren't many guns in Japan with which to kill people and Japanese people just aren't the homicidal type.

More than twice as many Japanese people killed themselves last year than died in all US gun homicides. It's almost as if different cultures come with their own set of problems and cherrypicking statistics from a largely gun-free society to make a banal point about guns in the USA is of no use whatsoever.

You would have to reduce the number of guns in citizens' hands by 99.8% in the US to get it down to Japan's level. Make that the goal then, instead of whatever ineffectual methods of "gun control" are being touted currently. Making manufacturers circumvent design limitations or adding another 3 days to the waiting period isn't going to do anything to stop crazy people from shooting innocent bystanders in bars. Confiscation and voluntary surrender is the only viable option, but who has the political stones to champion that cause?

These seemingly random mass-shootings like the CA bar are probably impossible to prevent with how many guns are floating around the US, but if people ITT actually cared about the gun homicide rate here, you'd be electing local law enforcement officials who actually punish people who break existing gun laws. Most gun deaths are criminals shooting other criminals and suicides. US crime rates aren't any higher overall than the rest of the industrialized world, our violent crimes are just way more fatal. But again, if you want to prevent incidents like this, you need to go door to door and start loading up government trucks to take to the smelter. There's no other way. I think you'd find that by and large, most deplorables talk a big game but wouldn't actually start shooting when the G-men arrived to take their guns.

Inso,

**** you.

Hard

Why is Inso comparing suicide to gun deaths? They are unrelated, should you compare gun deaths to cancer next? How about heart disease?

Gee, you think?

Also, every other thing in your post was absolute nonsense

Pass a law requiring every third bullet to be a blank that just emits a farting noise.

I know. Now go get 'em, tiger. Start by holding your local DA and judges accountable for all the gun charges being dropped to secure plea deals. Gun homicides will plummet as the repeat offenders rot in prison. Next, encourage your municipality to sponsor buyback programs. The criminals will just steal guns from otherwise law-abiding citizens to sell back to the cops, but the ends justify the means, right? A gun off the street is a gun off the street.

Or we should remind him that more US citizens kill themselves with guns than Japanese citizens kill themselves period.

Sure, why not? If it's about saving the most lives, then why not go after the heavy hitters before circle-jerking about mass-shootings?

Far more people die of alcohol-related cancers than are killed by guns each year. I have absolutely no issue with a complete ban on alcoholic beverages. Let's do it.

Cigarettes can be next. It's a disgusting habit that serves only as a means of slow and expensive suicide. Nearly half a million people die in the US each year to cigarette smoking. Where's the cigarette thread?

Japan's suicide rate is 60% higher than the US, so call me skeptical. Unless we're going to ignore population differences, in which case we should start a "**** China" thread because those *******s are just the worst.

I know you’re trolling but last i checked cigarettes and alcoholic beverages can’t be used to kill a room full of people. Before you say what about banning cars because of traffic accidents etc, cars actually have needed utility.

It’s not about saving the most lives, you could justify a bunch of terrible **** if the end goal was just to save lives.

The end goal is we have guns that have virtually zero utility, can be used to murder people quickly and easily, and are readily available for no purpose other than killing people. Cars, booze, cigarettes all kill people but have sustaining factors of utility.

Before you bring up hunting just stop because I’m sure with your post count you already have heard and already know all of this.

Edit: the end goal is to remove most of the guns at least I’m sure that’s what most of us want, but since crazies love them so much that’s not possible at this time so it’s either some common sense gun control or nothing at all.

We have seen what nothing at all feels like.