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03-27-2018 , 07:41 PM
03-27-2018 , 07:59 PM
TBF anyone still that stupid at that age is pretty much a Darwin Award waiting to happen.
03-27-2018 , 09:42 PM
Uh oh. Getting ahead of something?

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...tween-accounts

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The National Rifle Association has told a leading Senate Democrat that the gun rights group has accepted foreign donations but said that the funds were not used for election-related activities.

The acknowledgment came last week in a newly-disclosed, carefully-worded letter responding to questions from Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, about the organization’s meetings with Russian nationals during the 2016 campaign.
03-27-2018 , 09:53 PM
Ya, so every other donation they got went to the election, but that Russian money just funded all their operations for the year (salaries+ads+ event space)
03-27-2018 , 10:45 PM
I donated some money to a nice hooker to feed her kids. That money was NOT used to pay for the sex that she generously gave me.
03-28-2018 , 01:05 AM
I will say, that Liberals use that argument Re: Planned Parenthood and percentage of their funds that are used towards abortion services and it's just as terrible there. In general everybody needs to stop doing it. Money an organization takes in should all be treated as equal in terms of what it is used to fund.

The other place this argument comes up is in ******* rich kids.

"Oh, how did you pay for that 4-week African Safari when you're 24 and you make $60k a year?"

"Well... I mean I just saved up a bunch of money. I swear I paid for it without my parents help!"

"Don't your parents pay for your rent?"

"Well yeah, they pay for my rent but I saved for the vacation all by myself!"

"So the $15k your parents spent on your rent this year has nothing to do with your ability to save for a fancy vacation?"

"..."
03-28-2018 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I will say, that Liberals use that argument Re: Planned Parenthood and percentage of their funds that are used towards abortion services and it's just as terrible there. In general everybody needs to stop doing it. Money an organization takes in should all be treated as equal in terms of what it is used to fund.

The other place this argument comes up is in ******* rich kids.

"Oh, how did you pay for that 4-week African Safari when you're 24 and you make $60k a year?"

"Well... I mean I just saved up a bunch of money. I swear I paid for it without my parents help!"

"Don't your parents pay for your rent?"

"Well yeah, they pay for my rent but I saved for the vacation all by myself!"

"So the $15k your parents spent on your rent this year has nothing to do with your ability to save for a fancy vacation?"

"..."
Liberals only use the argument because they have to find a way to get around a federal law prohibiting funds from going to abortion, not because of some deep seated belief that federal funds truly don't go to abortion or that they shouldn't. I wonder if the same thing is going on with the NRA, that they think Russian funds should go to electioneering if not for some pesky rule.
03-28-2018 , 11:55 AM
I can remember as a kid my parents had a gun in the drawer of my mother's bedside table. Handguns couldn't be purchased very easily in Canada at that time, so my dad got that one when we were on a family trip to South Dakota to see relatives and he bought it from a cousin. It wasn't much, a .25 caliber revolver, and I'm pretty sure it was even single action. I suspect he bought it because he worked late for his business a lot and my mother, like a lot of women, was a little nervous being in a big house alone at night.

Anyways it was about a week before I found it, thought it was the coolest thing ever, and played with it regularly whenever my parents were out and I had the house to myself. Of course I always played with it loaded because I had no clue how to unload it or even really if it was loaded at all, to be honest (possibly the fact that it was single action made it that little bit safer, but had I cocked it I'm not sure I would've known how to unlock the hammer without pulling the trigger). I was maybe 13 or 14 at this time.

At some point, one or both of them must have realized that I had been in that drawer, either from the gun's position being moved or from me possibly having one of the bullets in my room. Either way they got rid of it soon thereafter. I have very little doubt that doing so prevented something bad from happening. It's natural for kids to root around and explore their house, and equally natural for them to be careless with guns.
03-28-2018 , 12:13 PM
When I was 12 a kid on the block had his or his dad's gun (22 rifle maybe) and we (I don't think I shot it) fired it into the dirt. My parents would have had heart attacks if they knew. I also rode that kid's dad's motorcycle having no idea how to shift gears and thinking you had to twist the throttle back and forth to make it go.
03-28-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Uh oh. Getting ahead of something?

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...tween-accounts
I thought money was fungible; once you added it to an account it was like all the other money. They would have to show some steps were taken to prevent those donations where used for anything different from the rest of their donations wouldn't they?
03-28-2018 , 12:47 PM
I found a rifle under my bed when I was like 10 but was kinda freaked out and never investigated further. Apparently that was the hiding spot my stepdad chose. Think it got moved shortly after.
03-28-2018 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I found a rifle under my bed when I was like 10 but was kinda freaked out and never investigated further. Apparently that was the hiding spot my stepdad chose. Think it got moved shortly after.
Did your stepfather have a head injury at some point? Who the **** thinks that that is a good hiding place?
03-28-2018 , 07:11 PM
If anyone was wondering where people get the idea that gun control is racist here you go. Seems odd that the Black Panthers, the latest reason for racist gun control, wasn't mentioned.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...8jOlh4.twitter
03-28-2018 , 09:33 PM
The Black Panthers are the reason the 2nd amendment started to mean that everyone got a gun.
03-28-2018 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
The Black Panthers are the reason the 2nd amendment started to mean that everyone got a gun.
No.

It was at least 125 years earlier.

Scott v. Sandford.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/60/393.html

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It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.
Perhaps, to clarify...

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A reference to a few of the provisions of the Constitution will illustrate this proposition.

For example, no one, we presume, will contend that Congress can make any law in a Territory respecting the establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people of the Territory peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances.

Nor can Congress deny to the people the right to keep and bear arms, nor the right to trial by jury, nor compel any one to be a witness against himself in a criminal proceeding.

Last edited by Lapidator; 03-28-2018 at 09:55 PM.
03-29-2018 , 11:51 AM
03-29-2018 , 11:53 AM
Wow, VT used to have some of the most lax gun laws in the nation. That's a very good sign.
03-29-2018 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I found a rifle under my bed when I was like 10 but was kinda freaked out and never investigated further. Apparently that was the hiding spot my stepdad chose. Think it got moved shortly after.
that story makes me think of Snow White. The witch/stepmom could have left a gun with Snow White in hopes she will off herself accidentally. Saves the trouble of using a poisoned apple later.
03-29-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
that story makes me think of Snow White. The witch/stepmom could have left a gun with Snow White in hopes she will off herself accidentally. Saves the trouble of using a poisoned apple later.
Of course Poco the Russian wants to distance himself from poisoning
03-29-2018 , 01:37 PM
Grunch

even though it won't happen anytime soon, say everyone who has a vote that matters wakes up tomorrow drunk and decides to repeal the 2nd amendment. then the next day they all sober up and realize what they've done but aren't going to reenact it. What would that new world look like in regard to guns?

What does "repealing the 2nd amendment" actually mean? Wouldn't it just push it all back to the states to decide? Unless I'm missing something, repealing something doesn't mean automatically putting in place the exact opposite. Wouldn't repealing the 2nd amendment just mean that gun ownership isn't a right, but it also wouldn't mean that guns are necessarily illegal to have?
03-29-2018 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
Grunch

even though it won't happen anytime soon, say everyone who has a vote that matters wakes up tomorrow drunk and decides to repeal the 2nd amendment. then the next day they all sober up and realize what they've done but aren't going to reenact it. What would that new world look like in regard to guns?

What does "repealing the 2nd amendment" actually mean? Wouldn't it just push it all back to the states to decide? Unless I'm missing something, repealing something doesn't mean automatically putting in place the exact opposite. Wouldn't repealing the 2nd amendment just mean that gun ownership isn't a right, but it also wouldn't mean that guns are necessarily illegal to have?
Correct.
03-29-2018 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
Grunch

even though it won't happen anytime soon, say everyone who has a vote that matters wakes up tomorrow drunk and decides to repeal the 2nd amendment. then the next day they all sober up and realize what they've done but aren't going to reenact it. What would that new world look like in regard to guns?

What does "repealing the 2nd amendment" actually mean? Wouldn't it just push it all back to the states to decide? Unless I'm missing something, repealing something doesn't mean automatically putting in place the exact opposite. Wouldn't repealing the 2nd amendment just mean that gun ownership isn't a right, but it also wouldn't mean that guns are necessarily illegal to have?
It would allow jurisdictions to pass laws to regulate guns and gun ownership, without having them overturned by the SCOTUS. So if, say, Washington DC wanted to prohibit all gun ownership within city limits they could do so.
03-29-2018 , 02:21 PM
but would it also open the door for Tennessee to enact laws that are more enabling of gun ownership?
03-29-2018 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
but would it also open the door for Tennessee to enact laws that are more enabling of gun ownership?
That door is already open. The second amendment does not stop them from doing that now.
03-29-2018 , 03:08 PM
But in a world where the political will exists to repeal, there would likely be lots of local and federal legislation in short order.

      
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