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12-16-2012 , 01:58 AM
I posted about this earlier itt, but didn't get any feedback so I'll try again...

According to an NYT article, after the Giffords shooting, the FBI looked into a few different proposals. I thought that some of them sounded pretty reasonable, but I'd like to hear what some of the more vocal gun rights supporters think (Dblbarrell, Neblis, whoever, please have at it, I'm willing to hear you guys out if you think I'm wrong).

1) Get better info into the background check database by giving money to states to improve the process by which people who have been adjudicated insane at the state level (and thus, should not be able to lawfully acquire guns under federal law) actually get their names into the federal database, and by allowing federal agencies that hand out benefits (like Social Security) share info with the FBI when a beneficiary starts having their checks sent to a legal guardian because that person has been judged incompetent to handle their financial affairs.

- increasing penalties on people who act as straw purchasers to help others bypass background checks.
12-16-2012 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
No ones talking about "Red Dawn".

You seriously believe if a popular vote took place on a total gun ban in this country, you'd win?
I don't recall saying either way if I thought it would pass. I said I wanted to watch people Ike you go bat crazy if it happened, and the prospect of such an occurrence (people like you going bat crazy), I would vote for it.

Then I said I would buy extra TVs to watch you all go crazy live.

I'm thinking chicken wings and pizza while I enjoy the show.
12-16-2012 , 01:58 AM
Wow. That actually might be a record for citation mocking
12-16-2012 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
rumor has it that DBJ circa 2010 confirmed popular opinion growing against gay marriage by posting a similar graph of gay marriage bans
And when they come around to outlaw the gays, only criminals will have gays.
12-16-2012 , 02:00 AM
Guys, I know losing is hard and all, but if you had a point why wouldn't some (or even most) of those green and blue states be turning back to red and yellow?

I mean, if it pissed off the citizens so bad, why not make overturning it an issue.

I generally don't mind the gun grabbers, it's your opinion and you're welcome to it. However, the ones that actually believe they maintain popular support tend to annoy me.
12-16-2012 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
rumor has it that DBJ circa 2010 confirmed popular opinion growing against gay marriage by posting a similar graph of gay marriage bans
Would that be the same pathetic liar who apparently has Trolly believing I'm reporting people ITT by chance?
12-16-2012 , 02:02 AM
That's a personal attack bro, you should be careful, the 9x post reporter might not appreciate someone taking that tone ITT
12-16-2012 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
I posted about this earlier itt, but didn't get any feedback so I'll try again...

According to an NYT article, after the Giffords shooting, the FBI looked into a few different proposals. I thought that some of them sounded pretty reasonable, but I'd like to hear what some of the more vocal gun rights supporters think (Dblbarrell, Neblis, whoever, please have at it, I'm willing to hear you guys out if you think I'm wrong).

1) Get better info into the background check database by giving money to states to improve the process by which people who have been adjudicated insane at the state level (and thus, should not be able to lawfully acquire guns under federal law) actually get their names into the federal database, and by allowing federal agencies that hand out benefits (like Social Security) share info with the FBI when a beneficiary starts having their checks sent to a legal guardian because that person has been judged incompetent to handle their financial affairs.

- increasing penalties on people who act as straw purchasers to help others bypass background checks.
I wholly support both of these two measures.
12-16-2012 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
That's a personal attack bro, you should be careful, the 9x post reporter might not appreciate someone taking that tone ITT
And see this post is a funny joke because he's only been reporting anti-gun people lolz
12-16-2012 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
That's a personal attack bro, you should be careful, the 9x post reporter might not appreciate someone taking that tone ITT
Nah, it's far too vague be personal.

It's simply a question.
12-16-2012 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
That's an old pole but that's all I could find on the Gallup website.



Are there more recent poles (from legit polesters, not some gun nut website) that you could show us that says the majority of Americans support your stance?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Of course it depends how you ask the question. When you ask "in general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?" Kept the same or less strict wins out. BTW for those who would like all guns banned, that polls around 10% in the US.
12-16-2012 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
Guys, I know losing is hard and all, but if you had a point why wouldn't some (or even most) of those green and blue states be turning back to red and yellow?

I mean, if it pissed off the citizens so bad, why not make overturning it an issue..
Cf. Michigan, circa 2012.

The citizens repeal an unpopular stealthily-passed law by 10 percentage points in November election. The very next month, the legislature completely disavows the voice of the electorate and re-passes the law.

You may have been still too butthurt about losing the presidential election to have noticed, but it happened. ALEC-bought and paid for state legislatures ignore the will of the people on a regular basis.
12-16-2012 , 02:05 AM
What you don't understand is your map only shows there is a powerful gun lobby in this country.

So far we've seen one legit cite on the question of how do people feel about gun control laws. A majority think they should be stricter. A majority of respondents to that poll think gun laws should be stricter than they are. It wasn't particularly close either.
12-16-2012 , 02:06 AM
I'm not a Republican.
12-16-2012 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by goofball
What you don't understand is your map only shows there is a powerful gun lobby in this country.

So far we've seen one legit cite on the question of how do people feel about gun control laws. A majority think they should be stricter. A majority of respondents to that poll think gun laws should be stricter than they are. It wasn't particularly close either.
You must have missed it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
12-16-2012 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mondogarage
For the 289734th time ITT, there's sufficient measures that can be taken that go far short of banning the possession of handguns.

We can start with absolute total 100% background checks, elimination of the so called "loophole" that actually results in 40% of gun purchases taking place without background checks.

Impossible. This is a silly suggestion.

Can continue with 20 year mandatory minimum sentences for anyone straw purchasing for someone who later uses that gun during commission of a felony.

Good idea. If there's one thing we've learned about the war on drugs, it's that making something illegal with a stiff penalty always makes people think twice.

ATF agents, watch out.


Can require fingerprint sensors on triggers. Expensive, sure...but the self-styled freedom lovers don't care about expense when talking about defense spending, so whining butthurt about cost is disingenuous.

Are you attempting to argue that national defense spending is the same thing as an individual retail purchase? Who is being disingenuous?

Can require mandatory trigger locks.

You mean like mandatory to own one if you own a gun? Or mandatory to store with a lock in place?

Good idea. Because everytime there's a mass shooting, it's always where the shooter stole the guns from someone else first.

None of those require or necessitate banning all guns.
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12-16-2012 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by will1530
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Of course it depends how you ask the question. When you ask "in general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?" Kept the same or less strict wins out. BTW for those who would like all guns banned, that polls around 10% in the US.
wat? Isn't this the question that was asked in the graph you quoted?
12-16-2012 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
I'm not a Republican.
IIRC, you didn't want Obama re-elected, either.
12-16-2012 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by goofball
What you don't understand is your map only shows there is a powerful gun lobby in this country.

So far we've seen one legit cite on the question of how do people feel about gun control laws. A majority think they should be stricter. A majority of respondents to that poll think gun laws should be stricter than they are. It wasn't particularly close either.
My issue with such polls is a lack of knowledge.

I'd wager a pretty large sum of money that 60% of the "stricter" respondents couldn't accurately describe the gun purchase process in their state of residence.

This is important because if you don't even know the requirements and procedures of purchasing a gun, how can you comment on where the laws should go?

Some are likely of the opinion that any purchasing process that allows anyone other than a police agency or military body to purchase guns is too lenient, so there's that.

There's also a large number of ignorant individuals who don't know what they're talking about.
12-16-2012 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by will1530
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Of course it depends how you ask the question. When you ask "in general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?" Kept the same or less strict wins out. BTW for those who would like all guns banned, that polls around 10% in the US.
Do you want them less strict?
12-16-2012 , 02:13 AM
lol dbj, I'm sure all of the "less strict" or "they're fine" people are scholarly individuals
12-16-2012 , 02:14 AM
1. try to assert your way to "popular opinion is with the gun side" victory
2. get served
3. LOL POLLS ONLY GET IGNORANT PPL RESPONDING
4. <coming soon!>
12-16-2012 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Someone posted that? I'm on my phone waiting for my kid to fall asleep so I did miss it. Wealth of info though. Cool
12-16-2012 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mondogarage
IIRC, you didn't want Obama re-elected, either.
Obama was probably the lesser of two possible evils for me.

My actual top issue is ending the drug war (which I believe would stop more gun violence than a gun ban could ever dream of stopping, BTW), and while neither Obama or Romney are/were gonna do **** about it, Romney would've likely been a net loss on that cause.

That's not saying both aren't godawful, Grade F-- jackasses on the issue though.
12-16-2012 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Do you want them less strict?
I don't have any particular issue with gun laws the way they are.

      
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