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Originally Posted by adios
Who has a right to own a gun and who doesn't ? Like say someone wants a gun for self defense purposes. I'm sure there will be answers essentially stating that your average citizen that wants to do that is inept. Not the point though. If the answer is that people should demonstrate proficiency in using a gun to defend themselves in order to get a gun, ok then. Laws can be passed that make it more difficult to own a gun for sure. However, laws that make it more and more difficult will eventually be challenged in the court system in my view. My understanding is that there is an extensive amount of legal precedents established regarding the 2nd Amendment. So what I think is that making it impossible to own a gun legally is a fools errand given the 2nd Amendment and the established legal precedents.
Who is on record in this forum for repealing the 2nd Amendment and confiscation of all guns?
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
adios is on record in this forum for advocating for more mass shootings and more dead kids lol
adios,
Why are you jumping straight into counting angels when we don't even agree that the pin exists? Where is the line? How do we interpret the 2nd? What about self defence. These are questions for people who agree there is a problem. Do you agree there is a problem? Basically all the rest is pointless unless you agree to the basic premises.
There are far more guns in the USA than any other reasonably civilised country.
The consequence of more guns is more shootings, more dead families, more dead children.
Until you agree with those facts there is 0 point arguing anything else.
There's also the subjective opinion that fewer dead children is a goal that is worth the "downside" of fewer guns. That's not a fact but if you don't agree then similarly there's very little point discussing anything else.
Once you agree to the above we can discuss strategy, line drawing, precedent etc.