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Although 18-year-old chicks with guns opens up whole new vistas on the gun pr0n front.

11-27-2012 , 01:21 PM

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That's another issue that needs to be addressed. I'm getting there.

Of course he was wrong for that. I'm starting at the most grievous offenses and working my way down.

Why start at the beginning instead of addressing the point that prana actually brought up - that police don't immediately shoot, and gun owners should be required to go through training to do the same.

I'm a gun owner (just hunting rifles and shotguns, no handguns) and in talking with other gun owners (intelligent, non-crazy people) I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that has weighed the pros and cons of shooting criminals.

Last edited by Cornboy; 11-27-2012 at 01:24 PM. Reason: Prana didn't make the point regarding training, that's my personal crusade

11-27-2012 , 01:26 PM

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This isn't the first gun discussion I've had with Prana.

His issue was picking up a gun, not the fact that he immediately shot.

There is plenty of outrage to go around here, I'm just trying to make sure people are using the right logic to get outraged, and stop the "unarmed"/"He didn't KNOW they were gonna kill him" type outrage.

11-27-2012 , 01:28 PM

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This isn't the first gun discussion I've had with Prana.

His issue was picking up a gun, not the fact that he immediately shot.

uh huh

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You could just, you know, hold them at gunpoint until the police arrived.

11-27-2012 , 01:32 PM

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I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that has weighed the pros and cons of shooting criminals.

pro: i'm not going to be killed by the person i just shot
con: i have to live the rest of my life knowing I shot/killed a person

is there more?

11-27-2012 , 01:33 PM

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Ah, so you are maturing.

Excellent.

There's some tactical considerations to ponder with that idea, but it's typically a relatively smart play, assuming you know how to respond if they start to resist or begin to refuse to comply.

I'm sure all that's far above his realm of understanding, since he was so excited about getting to kill someone he literally held the bodies overnight.

11-27-2012 , 01:34 PM

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I've never been anti gun. You are paranoid.

11-27-2012 , 01:37 PM

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I have tons of guns.

WTF do I have to be paranoid about?

11-27-2012 , 01:38 PM

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cute 18 year old girls breaking in to steal your guns during various holidays

11-27-2012 , 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Low Key

pro: i'm not going to be killed by the person i just shot
con: i have to live the rest of my life knowing I shot/killed a person

is there more?

See that's the problem.

There should be:
con: I'm going to spend a significant amount of time in jail for shooting/killing an unarmed person.

But gun nuts teach other gun nuts that that con doesn't exist, and we get to the point where crazies can feel confident bragging to the police (who they didn't even bother to call) about their executions.

11-27-2012 , 01:39 PM

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My neighbor is stationed at a base near where this happened. My good friend shot his deer with black powder in that county.

coolstorybro

11-27-2012 , 01:42 PM

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I mean, in my mind, i'm the guy that's already called the police and has secured to the best of my abilities any means of entering or exiting the room i'm in. the shoosting (ty goldmember) only happens if someone tries to get into said room

so, if that's the case, that you've shouted that fuzz done been contacted and that you're armed, and someone still comes at you, forcefully breaking down your barriers, you gonna be jail bound for long?

11-27-2012 , 01:46 PM

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cute 18 year old girls breaking in to steal your guns during various holidays

Cute 18 year olds are scary as hell IMO.

11-27-2012 , 01:48 PM

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i found out today my old man lingo is a great 18 yo female repellent

or that college girls don't like pot jokes

one of the two

11-27-2012 , 01:48 PM

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Ummm...

When a literary work is referenced in the manner Fly referenced it, you believe it to be a stretch to work on the assumption the person referencing it assumes the audience has read the work?

Seriously Wookie, it's ok.

No one thinks you're dumb for thinking that billboard has racism has racial connotations. I mean, I think you're wrong, but it's enough of a grey area that reasonable people can disagree.

You're going to bat for a guy who thinks the whole deal with the Republitards ****ting a brick over Fast & Furious was, rather than a statement about the general insanity of US politics, due to Obama and Holder's race.

Your first mistake is thinking that only you and Nibbles are Fly's audience.

Your second is the assumption that one cannot be familiar with the content of the Turner Diaries without being a racist, gun-crazed lunatic. Clearly Fly doesn't think that is the case.

11-27-2012 , 01:51 PM

#241

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Low, the "unarmed" thing just screams "results oriented thinker" and any engagement of them on the issue nearly always confirms it.

Of course you're correct, but the desire to see people jailed because they didn't allow someone to shoot them before returning fire is religiously strong in some.

11-27-2012 , 01:55 PM

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so, if that's the case, that you've shouted that fuzz done been contacted and that you're armed, and someone still comes at you, forcefully breaking down your barriers, you gonna be jail bound for long?

No, of course not. I'm just saying that gun-nuts lead people to believe that as soon as your house gets broken into its legally a free for all.

11-27-2012 , 01:58 PM

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i could be wrong, but I don't think the typical gun owner, or perhaps even the typical gun nut, thinks, upon hearing their house being broken into, "Sweet, now I can freely hunt the most dangerous animal of all time - man," like this guy apparently thought.

11-27-2012 , 02:00 PM

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Low, the "unarmed" thing just screams "results oriented thinker" and any engagement of them on the issue nearly always confirms it.

Lol why do you keep putting unarmed in quotes? Obviously the police and military consider unarmed persons completely differently from armed ones, why should it be any different for civilians?

11-27-2012 , 02:00 PM

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No one thinks you're dumb for thinking that billboard has racism has racial connotations.

Lol...yeah nobody thinks he's dumb for instantly getting things that it takes hours and hours to explain to other posters here.

11-27-2012 , 02:02 PM

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Lol why do you keep putting unarmed in quotes? Obviously the policy and military consider unarmed persons completely differently from armed ones, why should it be any different for civilians?

do you get more or less prison time for shooting a fellow civilian vs a police officer/member of the military?

11-27-2012 , 02:02 PM

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I see no hot button issues here. No need to defend.

I strongly encourage Democrats to publicly call for the disarming of US citizens in their own homes.

I think it would turn out wonderfully.

Thanks for continually reminding us that the south can and will impede political progress in this country.

11-27-2012 , 02:06 PM

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I'm unsure what "The south" has to do with it, but I am pleased to remind you guys at any possible juncture that gun control advocates are a minority.

11-27-2012 , 02:07 PM

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Maybe not, but they generally perpetuate the idea that as soon as a criminal breaks down the door they'll just blast them away. The crazies take this literally.

11-27-2012 , 02:11 PM

#250

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Lol why do you keep putting unarmed in quotes? Obviously the police and military consider unarmed persons completely differently from armed ones, why should it be any different for civilians?

First no, secondly I'm mocking the "I can't actually see the barrel of a gun, therefore unarmed" mentality.

"Unarmed" is a status given to an individual after they've been proven unarmed after a search, it's not a status given to people who break into your home which is not to be removed until they show you a knife or gun.

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