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11-20-2018 , 04:26 PM
Unavoidable. Nothing could have been done, no way to prevent it. Oh well.
11-20-2018 , 04:28 PM
That has to be the easiest way to get away with murdering your wife, right? Oops, gun cleaning accident, just one of those crazy things.
11-20-2018 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Unavoidable. Nothing could have been done, no way to prevent it. Oh well.
I am sure the guy was a very responsible gun owner who took every precaution and would never be negligent.
11-20-2018 , 08:50 PM
That will really detract from his upcoming camping trip in bear country.
11-21-2018 , 01:46 AM
We all got to go sometime. It’s either going to be a couple of guys twice her size with knives and serial killer bloodlines, bears, or her husband cleaning his heater that gets her in the end.
11-21-2018 , 06:16 AM
she didn't post yesterday so maybe she took our advice, got rid of her gun, and then got eaten by a bear or a serial killer
11-21-2018 , 02:20 PM
I'll have you all know that you should be very happy, I think I've just had sort of a breakthrough. I've come to realize that in addition to being bipolar I'm also borderline and have dissociative disorder. So that's good to know! It explains my explosive rage, abandonment issues, lost time and why I feel like multiple people and always talk to and yell at myself.

A lot of times I'll read old posts I've made and don't remember making them and it feels like someone else wrote them. Now I'm like oooooh. I guess my friend likes to get on the computer and chat
11-21-2018 , 02:22 PM
It's 12 noon in the afternoon. I don't know wtf I've been doing for the past 6 hours. I remember bits and pieces. I remember hacking, and Cat Power, but it's all a blur

Last edited by forum ferret; 11-21-2018 at 02:28 PM. Reason: the other half of me says I should. the other half of me says I should.
11-21-2018 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by forum ferret
I'll have you all know that you should be very happy, I think I've just had sort of a breakthrough. I've come to realize that in addition to being bipolar I'm also borderline and have dissociative disorder. So that's good to know! It explains my explosive rage, abandonment issues, lost time and why I feel like multiple people and always talk to and yell at myself.

A lot of times I'll read old posts I've made and don't remember making them and it feels like someone else wrote them. Now I'm like oooooh. I guess my friend likes to get on the computer and chat
Any chance that you might think a person with dissociation and explosive rage issues probably shouldn't own a gun of any type?
11-21-2018 , 02:42 PM
Nah I'm good. Never been arrested once in my life. I have no criminal record.

Spoiler:

But that depends on who you talk to.
11-21-2018 , 03:01 PM
I didn't ask about your criminal history
11-21-2018 , 04:53 PM
Just because no one said it explicitly: going to meet a potentially dangerous and mentally unstable person to play guitar for your band was a terrible terrible decision. It doesn’t matter if your friend insisted, you push back harder and you do not budge, you don’t say “Welp guess I have to go, I’ll just bring a gun to be safe.” The risk/reward ratio here is unbelievably bad, you can find someone who plays guitar anywhere. The fact that you had time to deliberate over this and made a terrible decision makes it far more likely that you’d also make bad decisions with a gun in the heat of the moment.
11-21-2018 , 06:52 PM
But boy, could be play guitar.

He could play a guitar just like ringin' a bell.
11-21-2018 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I didn't ask about your criminal history

Well then **** off before I really start to personally dislike you
11-22-2018 , 06:57 AM
no u, ffs
11-22-2018 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
We're talking about gun regulations, mass shootings are going to be catalyst for change because they are very public and very horrible. Trying to minimize their importance because of the absolute number of people killed is ridiculous and callous and overlooks the other gun deaths that aren't so public which would also be reduced by gun regulation.
It does not overlook other gun deaths. My whole argument is that the focus on mass shootings is itself overlooking other gun deaths.

Maybe it is a good strategy to get people on board with gun control in general, I don't know. I can understand how it could work as a catalyst. However, legislation to deal with mass shootings and legislation to deal with general gun violence will look different. I have a hard time seeing how things like ammo caps or banning specific weapons like the AR-15 are going to reduce overall gun violence at all. At the risk of sounding "callous," even if I accept that that type of legislation may reduce mass shootings, so what? If we cut mass shootings down by half we haven't even dented the number of deaths caused by gun violence. The focus should be on reducing overall gun violence.

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If you claim a cave in the mountains as your property and a bear decides it his cave what rights do you have to that cave? "Rights" are a human invention created to allow people to live together with some semblance of order. All the rights you have flow from the society you live in agreeing that those are rights and protecting them via the leaders of that society; IE the government.

You only have rights to own a firearm on your property because the government says you do. People used to be able to own gold on their property but between 1933 and 1974 it was illegal for people to won gold bullion without a license.
Making it illegal to own gold is an abuse of government power.

This is getting too far into philosophy for me. I want to argue that government is simply wrong to suppress individual rights, but that is futile when it seems like most of the people on this forum don't value individual rights to the extent that I do. At the same time I can't in good faith argue that society would not be better off without guns from a utilitarian standpoint. I just can not morally accept denying individuals the right to own guns just because some individuals may abuse those rights to the detriment of others.

Society does have the power to grant and take away rights in effect regardless of how you define "rights." In general, I do not consider it acceptable when that power is exercised, and neither should you, but that's just my lowly opinion.
11-23-2018 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
It does not overlook other gun deaths. My whole argument is that the focus on mass shootings is itself overlooking other gun deaths.

Maybe it is a good strategy to get people on board with gun control in general, I don't know. I can understand how it could work as a catalyst. However, legislation to deal with mass shootings and legislation to deal with general gun violence will look different. I have a hard time seeing how things like ammo caps or banning specific weapons like the AR-15 are going to reduce overall gun violence at all. At the risk of sounding "callous," even if I accept that that type of legislation may reduce mass shootings, so what? If we cut mass shootings down by half we haven't even dented the number of deaths caused by gun violence. The focus should be on reducing overall gun violence.



Making it illegal to own gold is an abuse of government power.

This is getting too far into philosophy for me. I want to argue that government is simply wrong to suppress individual rights, but that is futile when it seems like most of the people on this forum don't value individual rights to the extent that I do. At the same time I can't in good faith argue that society would not be better off without guns from a utilitarian standpoint. I just can not morally accept denying individuals the right to own guns just because some individuals may abuse those rights to the detriment of others.

Society does have the power to grant and take away rights in effect regardless of how you define "rights." In general, I do not consider it acceptable when that power is exercised, and neither should you, but that's just my lowly opinion.
You aren't making an argument. You are trolling in bad faith, because you don't actually want to do anything about the non-mass-shooting gun violence.
11-23-2018 , 09:54 AM
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"We are in a state of chaos. In the city in which I live, I hear and see examples of chaos almost every day. Little children are victims of senseless gun violence..."

Two years ago, 11-year-old Milwaukee schoolgirl Sandra Parks wrote these words in an award-winning essay about the murders in her city.

On Monday night, aged 13, she was shot by a stray bullet fired into her home.

Her frantic family called 911, but Sandra died at the scene.
T&P
11-23-2018 , 11:50 AM
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Police in Springfield, Kentucky, said they prevented a mass shooting Monday by arresting a man who was prepared to attack a manufacturing plant with a fully automatic AR-15 and seven other guns to "get the job done."

Matthew Smith, 37, of Lebanon, was sitting in his car outside the LB Manufacturing plant in Springfield around 4 p.m., according to an arrest citation. Springfield is about 60 miles southeast of Louisville. Reports of a suspicious vehicle and trespassing came in to local police.

When an officer approached Smith, he tried to aim a Glock handgun at the officer's chest, according to an arrest citation. The officer wrestled the gun away and handed it to a nearby officer before pulling Smith out of the car and to the ground.

The officer then found a Springfield XD handgun in Smith's waistband, another Glock strapped to his ankle as well as a .308-caliber rifle and a Colt AR-15 in the front seat, according to the arrest citation. Smith had "modified (the AR-15) to be fully automatic," according to police.

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When police interviewed Smith, he revealed that he had "brought what he needed to get the job done" and was waiting for a woman he had dropped off that morning who was not "answering any of his calls or texts."
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ns/2065752002/
11-23-2018 , 12:19 PM
lol this white guy had a gun in his waistband and even pointed a second gun at the cop while resisting arrest and still didn't get killed
11-23-2018 , 12:23 PM
That's how you know it was a white guy.
11-23-2018 , 12:54 PM
Well, to be fair, he was a responsible gun owner since he hadn't shot or killed anyone yet.
11-23-2018 , 02:11 PM
Conservatives terrified of brown people from Lebanon when they're more likely to get gunned down by a white dude from Lebanon, KY
11-23-2018 , 02:30 PM
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A one-time pastor in Missouri known for going on social media rants against “gun-free zones” this week was arrested after he allegedly tried forcing three women to have sex with him — and shot one of them in the head after she refused.
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According to USA Today, Bruce’s rants about gun control had continued right up until the time he allegedly kidnapped the three women.

Just last week, for example, he called for abolishing gun-free zones on the grounds that “we should stop expecting criminals to follow the rules.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/pas...ed-sex-police/
11-23-2018 , 02:38 PM
Your country is weird.

      
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