Or....

So what? The US military has zero to do with gun ownership in the US. If you think any legally owned firearm will give you more than a moments safety from any modern military you are stupider than people give you credit for. Although your gun porn of holding off marauding Nazis with your trusty AR-15 probably already did so.

LMAO, Afghanistan isn't the US, they have a history of warfare that dwarfs anything in the US. They have terrain made for defense and the only reason they held off the Soviets for so long was because of modern weapons provided by the US; modern meaning anti-air and machine guns, not tricked out AR-15s with flashlights attached. If there was anything approaching a shooting war between regular US military and civilians the civilians are going to get torched. Red Dawn isn't real and no one is going to be providing the civilians with RPGs or stingers.

How do suicides and accidental deaths have anything to do with mass shootings, the topic of the post you were replying to here?

Are you capable of conversing in a respectable manner?

I am not an advocate of no government. I do want to drastically reduce the size and power government. Governments primary function should be to protect individual rights and settle disputes.

You have an underlying assumption that government grants property rights. I would argue that property rights exist by default, and government's role should be to protect them from being violated by others. It is not acceptable for others to dictate what an individual can do on their own property as long as others rights are not being violated. Owning guns on one's property does not violate others' rights. Smoking marijuana on one's property does not violate others' rights. Having consensual sex with a transsexual prostitute on one's property does not violate others' rights. Prohibiting these types of activities is an abuse of government power.

It is impossible for property rights to exist by default. How could you settle a dispute of two people claiming the right to the same property if the rights exist by default? Under that assumption they both have equal rights to the same property.

If I walk across a field and someone points a gun at me and says I can't walk across the field because they say it's their property, who's in the right? How do you tell?

Edit: Ponied.

We're talking about gun regulations, mass shootings are going to be catalyst for change because they are very public and very horrible. Trying to minimize their importance because of the absolute number of people killed is ridiculous and callous and overlooks the other gun deaths that aren't so public which would also be reduced by gun regulation.


If you claim a cave in the mountains as your property and a bear decides it his cave what rights do you have to that cave? "Rights" are a human invention created to allow people to live together with some semblance of order. All the rights you have flow from the society you live in agreeing that those are rights and protecting them via the leaders of that society; IE the government.

You only have rights to own a firearm on your property because the government says you do. People used to be able to own gold on their property but between 1933 and 1974 it was illegal for people to won gold bullion without a license.

Mass shootings are also similar to terrorism. 9/11 wasn't only terrible because of the 3500 lost lives that day. It is about the fear that it struck in people's hearts. Someone earlier posted a tweet that listed all the types of locations that were the scene of a mass shooting: high schook, synagogue, yoga studio, gas station, coffee shop, night club etc. The list went on for a while and can be summarized as "basically everywhere".
That has to affect the national psyche. No matter what you do you might get shot today.

Two mass shootings in hospitals in one evening. I sure with those doctors would stay in their lane!

Obviously collateral damage by people trying to protect themselves from bears.

Should we maybe think about disarming the military?

LMAO. **** you.

I have a relative who knows a person that survived a mass murder that was committed several decades ago. This person worked with the shooter, who was a weird loner crazy type. The crazy loner shoots up the place and spares my relative's friend's life because they were the only person that would speak with them and be nice.

The crazy person that I met ... the person that survived the mass shooting a long time ago is nearly 100% positive that the crazy person's mother is the sister of the mass murderer. Crazy person I met has been arrested and investigated multiple times for making violent threatening posts online, and has threatened mass murder.

Still think I'm crazy to have a gun? I carry my gun everywhere with me, and people like the guy that I just met make it a smart thing to do. If I'm alive, breathing and awake, my gun is within reach, and it's always loaded. If someone ever tried to kill me, they'd get the bad end of my gun so fast they couldn't even consult with their other self in their head to figure out what to do.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here.

Have you discovered the mass shooter gene? Because lol

What would you do if you were in some country where you couldn't have a gun?

his mom is concerned about bigfoots breaking into her garage where they keep meat ...

Sounds like you're crazier than a ****house rat and you do weird stuff so you can say that's why people call you crazy

You seem to be concerned about citizens' right to have firearms because a very small percentage of them murder people with them. You seem to be entirely unconcerned that the US military has exponentially more firepower and has killed exponentially more innocent people than random nutjob 1%er citizens.

I'm concerned about lots of things, including voter suppression and access to health care. There are threads for those. This thread is about citizens and guns.

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WTF, I go to cnn.com and see a hospital shooting in Chicago and another shooting in downtown Denver. **** you gun owners.

**** all these guntard apologists, I'm tired of being civil. Been in two false alarm active shooter scares at my workplace and I'm tired of having to barricade my lab and wonder if this is it, all so some cowardly limp-dick *******s can be marks for the gun lobby. I'm done being polite: you're a ****ing deranged idiot if you think you need to carry a gun around to the grocery store or band practice or wherever. Every other developed nation in the world thinks we're all a bunch of dangerously irresponsible morons and they're probably right.

a pharmacist among the dead in one of these latest shootings

..i aint gonna say it

Mom whose Facebook post about her 1 year-old daughter's passing went viral in 2014 is shot and killed while her husband was cleaning his gun

Price of freedom