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12-03-2012 , 04:30 AM

#551

rjoefish

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Well that depends on who you ask. Taxes being theft and all of course the answer to that question is yes.

12-03-2012 , 04:42 AM

#552

DblBarrelJ

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I'm asking goofball, not LirvA or Boro.

12-03-2012 , 08:52 AM

#553

whickerda

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

Owning a gun is not a civil right. Jesus.

Do you really believe this? In the US it is a civil right by any definition of the phrase:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_...s_Constitution

12-03-2012 , 11:37 AM

#554

NeBlis

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

Owning a gun is not a civil right. Jesus.

Technically its a natural or human right, good catch.

12-03-2012 , 11:40 AM

#555

CrunchyBlack

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Nothing will happen to Costas, because we as a nation have grown soft and comfortable and it shall be our downfall.

haha oh wow

12-03-2012 , 12:16 PM

#556

goofball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by whickerda

Do you really believe this? In the US it is a civil right by any definition of the phrase:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_...s_Constitution

1) second amendment says arms (nukes? b-52s? stealth fighters? drones?)
2) second amendment is arcane

When I say civil right I mean more a natural right. If you think the definition should be "what's allowed under the law in the country you're in" then we don't have much to talk about.

12-03-2012 , 12:20 PM

#557

goofball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

goofball, do you yet understand that it's not the amount of guns that cause crime, it's who has them?

It's both.

Quote:

For instance, do police personnel use their guns to commit armed robbery very often?

In my ideal society uniformed police officers don't carry guns either.

(the answer to your question is I'm sure they don't but so the **** what)

You seem to just have piss-poor second level thinking on this issue. You seem to think people who are pro gun control do so because a) they have an irrational fear of guns and b)they think they live on sesame street.

12-03-2012 , 12:31 PM

#558

DblBarrelJ

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You've contradicted yourself. You're well aware of the fact that there are millions of gun owners who will own guns their whole lives and never injure a soul.

You're also aware that there's a tiny minority who will use their guns to cause death and harm.

You also know that of the former, a very large majority would turn in their collections as ordered by the fascists.

You know the latter would not.

Have you accomplished anything worthwhile?

If you think you have, you're beyond hope with your dogmatic beliefs.

12-03-2012 , 12:40 PM

#559

NeBlis

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

1) second amendment says arms (nukes? b-52s? stealth fighters? drones?)
2) second amendment is arcane

jesusnotthis****again.jpg

12-03-2012 , 12:43 PM

#560

DblBarrelJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NeBlis

jesusnotthis****again.jpg

But but BOOOOOOMMMBBSSS tho?

12-03-2012 , 12:45 PM

#561

NeBlis

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

But but BOOOOOOMMMBBSSS tho?

You can have my Indiana Jones style booby traps after you pry my heart out with your tuggie black magic!

12-03-2012 , 12:54 PM

#562

Goodie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NeBlis

ummmm no. I would rather fight a tyrannical government and maybe die than just give up.

Again, not that its going to happen but some sort of gun round up means we are going down the drain to communist hell.

I can't even fathom how misguided this reaction to taking your guns is. Take us through this scenerio please Neblis. So, the federal agents come to your house to take your guns. Are you going to send your family to your sisters and just shoot on sight? Please tell us exactly how this would go down.

12-03-2012 , 01:01 PM

#563

suzzer99

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I'm pretty sure there would be a cry of WOLVERINES! in there somewhere.

12-03-2012 , 01:03 PM

#564

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NeBlis

Technically its a natural or human right, good catch.

Where does the "natural or human right" stop - Mac 10, bazooka, SAM, nuke, radioactive tiger?

12-03-2012 , 01:07 PM

#565

DblBarrelJ

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BUT BUT BUT BUT BOOOOOMMMMMMBBBBBBBSSSSSS tho?!

12-03-2012 , 01:08 PM

#566

Goodie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NeBlis

Having been through an awful divorce from an evil beast of a woman who tried to **** my best friend and did all sorts of nasty things I can relate to the sentiment but the dude is off base.

I have stood in a ring of bouncers and broken the nose of a dude who was screwing my ex and then turned to challenge the rest of them. I had a gun in my car at the time but would have never used it. I contemplated lots of ugly dark things during that time but LDO I didn't do it... and he would not have either.

While the guy didn't have a gun he was living with her in a house with easy access to knives, machettes, crowbars, poisons, stairs, cars etc etc. The reason he didn't kill his ex is not because he did not have the means. He didn't kill her because he's not a murderer.

This idea that a gun somehow makes murder easy or accessible is just pure nonsense. Crushing her skull while she slept or drowning her in the tub would have been 100% more certain, silent, etc and yet it didn't happen.

Listen, I've never shot a gun, crushed someone skull or drowned someone in the tub but of the three, the easiest and most accessible seems to me to be pulling the trigger of a gun.

12-03-2012 , 01:56 PM

#567

kurto

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

BUT BUT BUT BUT BOOOOOMMMMMMBBBBBBBSSSSSS tho?!

just curious... is there a thread where this question was resolved? I am curious to know where the line is on weaponry (if there is one) and how that's determined legally and how it fits in logically with the pro gun arguments.

I've seen this question raised but don't that I've seen it resolved. By your tone I assume this is settled somewhere.

12-03-2012 , 02:18 PM

#568

airwave16

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i want a radioactive tiger! that'd be cool!

12-03-2012 , 02:21 PM

#569

airwave16

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also, a friend of mine just bought a full auto assault rifle and a military grade shotgun, so i really think this whole "THEY'S TAKIN MAH GUHNS" thing is a bit overblown.

12-03-2012 , 02:32 PM

#570

DblBarrelJ

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WTF is a "military grade" shotgun?

A black one?

Also, if his gun is full auto, it's over 25 years old at a minimum and he paid at a minimum $10k - $20k for it.

12-03-2012 , 02:52 PM

#571

airwave16

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i don't know. he tried explaining it to me a few weeks ago but i just looked at him like he was insane.

and yeah it is full auto. no clue how old. he bought it secondhand from a friend of his.

12-03-2012 , 02:56 PM

#572

DblBarrelJ

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Hope he knows what he's doing.

There's a lot of nuance to legally obtaining NFA weapons. Hopefully he's not running afoul of the ATF here.

12-03-2012 , 03:00 PM

#573

Goodie

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by airwave16

i don't know. he tried explaining it to me a few weeks ago but i just looked at him like he was insane.

and yeah it is full auto. no clue how old. he bought it secondhand from a friend of his.

That's comforting.