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Since Russiagate has shown to be underwhelming, there will be a tendency to forget how extreme it got. As of today, y'all would probably not bite on a headline like "Trump a Russian spy since 1987." But that's exactly where Jonathan Chait went in this bit of lunacy:



You haven't heard? That horse never came in. And I guess you did not read as far as: "I can easily believe there was collusion."

I agree. I think the longest this could reasonably remain secret is a few months.

You have predicted an Onion headline.

Expecting any Fox News viewer to think critically is asking way too much. Just let him have his "win."

You misspelled trump's hand-picked-to-quash-the-mueller-report appointee report.

Maybe this is wishful thinking but if there really isn't much there with respect to Russia, then I would have to guess some of the other investigations are quite serious. We still don't know why multiple people got deals. The SCO recommended no prison for Flynn, for example, for his help on "several investigations", and I don't see how that makes any sense if his cooperation didn't lead to anything.

Re: Insane Iraq War comparison.

First, unlike the Iraq War, the people with the most power DON'T want the public mad at Russia. Second, unlike WMDs, Russia DID illegally interfere with the election to help Donald Trump. Third, there is strong factual evidence in the public record to warrant an investigation into potential collusion.

Fourth, now that the Russiagate investigation and attendant speculation has (mostly) concluded, what were its negative material consequences? It seems to me that it is just egg on the face of some overzealous pundits, figures in the Democratic party, and Resistance Libs on Twitter. Contrast with hundreds of thousands of deaths and increased radicalization in the Middle East caused by the Iraq War. How can this even be a comparison?

This is not an original point, but what is notable to me about Russiagate is that if the investigation had proceeded with media silence, and the final report was the first time the public had been exposed to the extent of Trump's ties with Russia (including Trump Tower Moscow, Don Jr. meeting, Wikileaks, exposure of the many lies told by people in the administration regarding Russia even under oath, etc), it would be considered a bombshell, incredibly damaging to the President. But because Donald Trump is so obviously corrupt and runs such a ****show administration that leaks like a sieve, a report detailing these things is seen as a dud, a nothingburger.

It's tilting as hell, but I think we have to accept that Donald Trump's lifetime of consequence-free criminality has insulated him from the political costs of bad behavior. I mean it will be great if we get to see a Don Jr perp walk for financial crimes, but I don't expect anything to move the needle much. The 2020 candidates have been good so far at keeping the focus on issues, rather than the Trump Show, and I hope they keep going that way until the election.

In front of the whole world, Donald Trump said he believed Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agencies. Don Jr admitted attempted collusion. Trump admitted firing Comey over Russia stuff. Any scenario was possible dude, calm down.

it's always a technicality when rich white people break the law. hundreds if not thousands of poor and mostly minorities are jailed routinely for obstruction and falsely identifying themselves to police with no underlying charges.

Matt Taibbi Tweeted an OJ pic with caption:

Mark my words -- Russiagate will now go full 911 truther.

Starting a When Will Greenwald be on MSNBC Watch Party.

Jiggymike said:
Yes, Trump is capable of anything and the Russia angle deserved scrutiny and investigation. But that is a whole lot different from two years of hyperventilating innuendo as the central political strategy against Trump. E.g. Rachel Maddow used to be a fave of mine, but now I can't take her seriously.

Kind of astounding watching leftists like Greenwald and Kulinski spike the ball over this. How egotistical could these dumb****s be? It's not as though the world became a better place because of this.

Regardless of the outcome, none of this is good news. Even if there was no collusion, we're talking about a guy who chose to believe Putin over his own intelligence agencies. A guy who lavished Putin with complements and celebrated firing Comey with Russian officials.

If there is no collusion, then we have to confront the unfortunate truth which is that the American people, without being misled by foreign sources, chose to elect somebody who wants to dismantle democracy and start a white ethnostate while half of the adult population stood on the sidelines and watched it happen. To me, that is not something worth celebrating.

Well I'm pretty sure it's mostly the racists and white supremacists celebrating so it sort of makes sense.

This is a bad point.

Barr was handpicked by the person being investigated. Quite different from 9/11 commission.

Truth. He got the job specifically because of his view that the Mueller investigation was complete bull**** from the start. Even when making a conscious effort to avoiding biasing a summary, it still happens. And I doubt that Barr tried to appear unbiased in his report.

The only way the truth can be learned is through releasing the full report.

if trump really didn't collude with russia (even with the don jr meeting and his campaign chairman exchanging polling data with a russian spy) that means that russia tampered with the election because they wanted trump to win because they believed trump would be the worst person to be president of the united states. and after the last 2 years it's clear they were totally right.

so a huge win for awval and inso, they really showed us.

This guy thinks the government lied about killing Osama bin Laden but now takes Barr's letter about the report at face value.

Nothing is ever that complicated, people are what they seem to be nearly every time.

Greenwald is blatantly pretty far right wing (supports Trump/Russia, hates democrats, how did you miss this amount of obviousness he's definitely NOT on the left) and I don't know who the other guy is. The only reason he might not like Bolsanaro is because it might impact him personally.

The mere act of Trump being elected was a huge win for Putin regardless of his involvement in it. His mission for years has been to prop up dictatorships sympathetic to him while creating the environment for dictatorships to flourish in democratic states.

In other words, the complete destruction of democracy worldwide. He wants to be able to point to places like America and say, "Look at those 'democracies'. They're not doing great. They're chaotic nightmares. You [the Russian people] are clearly better under my control than the supposed freedom offered in other countries." without being accused of being full of ****.

It's such a cynical view of the world.

anti-Israel, pro-LBGT, pro-choice, anti-neoconservatism, pro-privacy rights, anti-gun. Pretty left-wing to me but this is more for the thread dedicated to him.

Other guy was formerly of The Young Turks who went off and did his own thing. Like Greenwald, he also has a blind spot for Russia.

Had to mute Greenwald on twitter. Maybe the most insufferable day ever on my feed, but at least the basketball was good.

I have officially marked that into my notebook of "Dumb Gaslighting **** Bill Haywood Says."



This will be an unpopular take, but I think Muller is doing the right thing here. Since it is fundamentally Congress's role to decide what an impeachable offense is, the appropriate role for Muller is to lay out his findings, avoid passing judgement, and let Mitch McConnell decide if Trump has committed high crimes and/or misdemeanors (spoiler: Trump is not getting impeached anytime soon).



My dude, you gotta give us a link to this sort of thing so we can all point and laugh.

It's not just us, a **** ton of europe including our allies are doing the exact same thing. That whole "hey we disagree but at least we agree nobody should be a king" so our country always kept moving along* isn't a thing anymore.

*aside from that blip that one time where we tried to kill each other

Not recommending any indictments is cowardice by Mueller. He knew that not doing so would effectively absolve Trump in the perception of the public regardless of what was in the report.

As for the media claiming that Trump has been exonerated, it's no surprise. They want him to be reelected. It's why they've been ignoring Bernie Sanders while contorting stories to not slam Trump when he deserves to be slammed.