I do think ins0 is saying anyone who holds modern day republican politics and supports them is stupid. I agree with ins0.

1. The Dems didn't push the Russia narrative that hard, the media did. Even then, I'm guessing most of the difference between their narrative and Mueller's findings will come down to technicalities (like, oligarchs != the Russian government legally even though we all know they really do) and Trump being insulated.

2. We can have the opinion that the Mueller report should absolutely be released AND that the Dems would be stupid to push on Trump-Russia beyond just saying the report should be released AND that Trump won and won't be facing any justice related to Trump-Russia. Transparency is good.

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with even a sentence in one of your posts, but I have to sit here today and admit that I was wrong. I agree!

https://twitter.com/Seinfeld2000/sta...78559099428865

“Process crimes” is such a tell.

Brown people trying to escape a horric life = lock in a cage

Years in jail if you are a black kid with a little weed = law and order

White guy committing fraud for millions of dollars? Got him on a technicality.

i have officially found my favorite 2+2 meuller/russia interference take:

the russia didn't interfere in the 2016 election any more than illegal immigrants did..

What are the chances that Bob and the special counsel team didn't make a copy of the report?

That's a common take on the right wing, in fact, they 100% believe that Russia did nothing and illegal immigrants account for millions of votes in every election.

If you put a gun to their head and told them their life depending on answering correctly, only a small handful would say that there were any number of votes cast by non citizens

That doesn't mean they don't believe it, it just means they know it's not a fact.

I can always rely on @Seinfeld2000 to crack me up!

It is publicly known and undeniable that the Trump campaign tried to collude with Russia in the trump tower meeting. Dummy Jr literally put attempted treason in an email.

The hilarity of the report is that evidence appears to show that hostile foreign power(s?) didnt trust the Trump campaign enough to work with them to steal the election, so they compartmentalised the campaign to give themselves plausible deniability when this all became known.

The biggest thing I've noticed is they have a very difficult time understanding people don't think like they do. ie, things like some people have empathy are really hard for them to wrap their heads around. Since everyone must think like they do, there must be illegal votes because all my friends think exactly like I do.

Or they get it and just think all dem votes should be illegal anyway because **** everybody but me. Whatever.

My favorite part of the republican narrative is the main stream media should not have covered an investigation started and run by republicans into our president working with the Russian so much. What? Really? How much time do you think is appropriate for a republican investigation into their president for treasonous like ways? ****.

Blowing my mind how much discussion and football-spiking and so on is going on about a report nobody has read. I wasn't really expecting Trump family indictments, so the no new indictments revelation was about 10% of what I want to know about the report. In between "no indictment but not exonerated" there's a huge amount of room to move.

Exactly; that’s where we are at this point with what we know

All we really know about the report so far is that Trump’s AG is making completely bogus claims about what obstruction of justice is and also invoking Nixon’s bogus “executive privlige” argument for why he should get to redact bits of it.

Like, Barr is really acting like there’s some outright criminal **** in this report if it ever gets released and people on either side who are spiking the football really need to just chill for a bit.

Not if we never see the ****ing thing

Yeah, that’s looking like a huge “if” right now.

Nixon lost the executive privlige battle 0-9, but I am not optimistic. You got Thomas, Kav, and Gorsuch in the tank, if RBG kicks the bucket you only need Alito or Roberts and that report gets shredded.

Dude, give your head a shake. Trump fired the head of the FBI because of the Russian investigation and said so on national TV. If that wasn't legit cause for concern then I don't know what is in your world.

Or maybe to you the notion of a President who is compromised by a hostile foreign power is no big deal. I suppose that's possible, because hey, what harm could possibly come of something like that? The destruction of all of the US's trade relations and the dissolution of NATO? What are the odds?

Of course also worth mentioning is that it wasn't Democrats who were responsible for the investigation, or have you also conveniently forgotten that as well? Comey, Rosenstein, Sessions, McCabe, and Mueller to boot are all Republicans!

Meanwhile, even the people in his own party know that he's on the hook to Putin, they just don't have the guts to say so in public (but they occasionally get caught in private, remember Kevin McCarthy?) because they're trying desperately to minimize the damage the idiot does to their party. But the fact remains, Trump is as dirty as they come, and when the truth finally does come out the only surprise is going to be just how much of a puppet to Putin he really is. Wait and see.

I don't think we need to be confused by any of this behavior. If Russia helps their team--good! Because that means Russia wants the same thing they do. Now Russia not bad. If a terrorist attack helps their side---good! If the justice system failure helps their team--good! If political norms will help their team---good! If breaking them will---good! Deficit ballooning, golf vacations, sex scandals, attacks on PC, media mistakes.

They do not care about any of it. None. It's not that they are stupid--not all of them anyway--it is that they are unencumbered by actual morals and empathy.

I had forgotten about how fast the Starr Report was released until someone on reddit mentioned it:

After the four year investigation of Clinton, the Office of the Independent Counsel delivered its 445-page report to Congress on September 9, 1998.

For two days, the report sat unread in the Ford House Office Building as Democrats and Republicans in the House of Representatives debated what to do with it. On September 11, the House voted 363–63 to release the report to the public. When the report was uploaded to the internet, it became a sensation, with twelve percent of adult Americans — 20 million people — browsing the web at once to browse the document.

Ya that was crazy. Most of merica didnt even have internet.

Starr investigated for FIVE YEARS and released a report that was essentially soft core porn, whose subject matter was wholly unrelated to the topic he was appointed to probe. I mean, **** Bill Clinton, dude was and is a massive scumbag, but just for fun imagine a blatantly partisan special prosecutor being given 5 years to investigate anything they wish re: the Trump Administration.