Mueller Report Sweat Thread - Page 7 - Politics and Economics

Heather Anne Campbell
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has anyone considered that part of an asymmetrical warfare campaign would be using fake leftist accounts to promote the idea that there is obvious Russian-backed collusion, so that when there’s no evidence of that collusion, the left falls apart and becomes angry/defeatist?

03-23-2019 , 11:04 PM

#152

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cuserounder

Then it's taking Barr a long-ass time to read it.

If it had been good for the WH they would have dropped it two-three hours after it landed like a hot mike as soon as they finished reading it.

As to whether or not it will leak... yeah there's no viable way to suppress it. Unfortunately for the WH being the guy/girl who leaked this is a very strong career move. Slightly high risk, but very very strong. The book deal about your persecution in the aftermath is worth high 7 figures. And an absolute lock to get pardoned by the next normalish president. In their spot my biggest concern is my heroism being diluted by someone else making the same move at the same moment. I'd pretty much have a preset set of circumstances where I'm going to leak and once those triggered I'd click send. You don't want to be too early, but you definitely want to be first.

Odds are the best news about this document is that it contains no new indictments lol. Which is why we knew that an hour after it dropped.

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03-23-2019 , 11:54 PM

#153

ScreaminAsian

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03-24-2019 , 01:01 AM

#154

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I hopped into the Hydrosphere and traveled weeks into the future to find this on Scribd. Seems relevant.

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A summary of the SCO report is as follows: On or about the summer of 2016 through on or about the spring of 2019, there was NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION.

William P. Barr
Attorney General

03-24-2019 , 08:34 AM

#155

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Emptywheel lays out the options

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But I can think of five mutually non-exclusive possibilities for the report:

Mueller ultimately found there was little fire behind the considerable amounts of smoke generated by Trump’s paranoia

The report will be very damning — showing a great deal of corruption — which nevertheless doesn’t amount to criminal behavior

Evidence that Manafort and Stone conspired with Russia to affect the election, but Mueller decided not to prosecute conspiracy itself because they’re both on the hook for the same prison sentence a conspiracy would net anyway, with far less evidentiary exposure

There’s evidence that others entered into a conspiracy with Russia to affect the election, but that couldn’t be charged because of evidentiary reasons that include classification concerns and presidential prerogatives over foreign policy, pardons, and firing employees

Mueller found strong evidence of a conspiracy with Russia, but Corsi, Manafort, and Stone’s lies (and Trump’s limited cooperation) prevented charging it

And what we already know

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what the Mueller report will say by unpacking the lies Trump’s aides told to hide various ties to Russia: The report will show:

Trump pursued a ridiculously lucrative $300 million real estate deal even though the deal would use sanctioned banks, involve a former GRU officer as a broker, and require Putin’s personal involvement at least through July 2016.

The Russians chose to alert the campaign that they planned to dump Hillary emails, again packaging it with the promise of a meeting with Putin.

After the Russians had offered those emails and at a time when the family was pursuing that $300 million real estate deal, Don Jr took a meeting offering dirt on Hillary Clinton as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” At the end (per the sworn testimony of four people at the meeting) he said his father would revisit Magnitsky sanctions relief if he won. Contrary to the claim made in a statement authored by Trump, there was some effort to follow up on Jr’s assurances after the election.

The campaign asked rat-****er Roger Stone to optimize the WikiLeaks releases and according to Jerome Corsi he had some success doing so.

In what Andrew Weissmann called a win-win (presumably meaning it could help Trump’s campaign or lead to a future business gig for him), Manafort provided Konstantin Kilimnik with polling data that got shared with Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs. At the same meeting, he discussed a “peace” plan for Ukraine that would amount to sanctions relief.

Trump undercut Obama’s response to the Russian hacks in December 2016, in part because he believed retaliation for the hacks devalued his victory. Either for that reason, to pay off Russia, and/or to pursue his preferred policy, Trump tried to mitigate any sanctions, an attempt that has (with the notable exception of those targeting Oleg Deripaska) been thwarted by Congress.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/03/2...e-venal-****s/

03-24-2019 , 11:02 AM

#156

SuperUberBob

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A good summation of what has been found so far was released on a documentary by Frontline

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/f...investigation/

Anybody who watches that and says "No collusion" is nuts. Maybe they weren't directly contacting Trump to collude but there's no doubt that his campaign as a whole benefited from Russia's assistance.

03-24-2019 , 11:18 AM

#157

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Collateral damage from Russiagate: Dems pivoted to extreme right in foreign policy:

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Dan Kervick
‏ @DanMKervick
Mar 22

Just to review a few things, we now see commonly among Democrats:

1. Support for an intensified new Cold War posture toward Russia, China and all states enjoying good relationships with those countries.

2. Support for the most extreme, far right, hawkish elements in South Korean politics and de facto repudiation of the Panmunjom Declaration.

3. Deep bitterness over the lack of an aggressive Trump regime change effort in Syria.

6. Support for a brazenly imperialist new regime change project in our own hemisphere, led by extremists and convicted war criminals.

7. Fatuous worship of hawkish militarists like John McCain and other neoconservatively-tilted security state stalwarts.

So, the real cost of the mania of which Russiagate is the center is that a large faction of the Democratic Party - the “Maddow Democrats” - have drifted far, and dangerously to the right. They are now a fascism-adjacent movement posing a real threat to this planet’s future.

Oh, and just to make this thread go up to eleven, how could I have forgotten the normalization and rehabilitation among Dems of @maxboot, @BillKristol @davidfrum and G.W. Bush! ///11

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Chuck Ross
‏ @ChuckRossDC
22m22 minutes ago

PIVOT ALERT: Jennifer Granholm on CNN: maybe the Russia report coming back a dud will be good for Democratic candidates. They'll be able to discuss issues that "matter to real people." Lol.

03-24-2019 , 11:53 AM

#158

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I don't agree with the couching, but there's a point to made there and it's been called out frequently in this forum.

03-24-2019 , 02:43 PM

#159

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You can't have a good relationship with authoritarian states or you become authoritarian yourself. The west should've ****ing learned this by now.

03-24-2019 , 02:44 PM

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also I've been given a copy of the Mueller report and I'm not allowed to post it directly for legal reasons but this is basically it.

[redacted] [redacted] Donald Trump [redacted] [redacted] no [redacted] [redacted]

EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION
[entire pages redacted]

03-24-2019 , 03:07 PM

#161

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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

Collateral damage from Russiagate: Dems pivoted to extreme right in foreign policy:

Quote:

Just to review a few things, we now see commonly among Democrats:

1. Support for an intensified new Cold War posture toward Russia, China and all states enjoying good relationships with those countries.

2. Support for the most extreme, far right, hawkish elements in South Korean politics and de facto repudiation of the Panmunjom Declaration.

Ah, yes, who can forget Kamala Harris' famous speech denouncing Moon Jae-in? Also #1 seems a little odd, I thought Dems just reflexively oppose everything Trump does cause they're dumb but Trump is the one playing hardball with China and having tariff wars and all that ****.

This guy is running ****ing wild. Dems are like "wow Trump isn't really dealing with North Korea very well" and the own the lib crew shows up like "YOU'RE ENABLING THE KOREAN ALT-RIGHT"

Also imagine writing this while Trump is president, and then imagine posting it approvingly on a politics forum:

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a large faction of the Democratic Party - the “Maddow Democrats” - have drifted far, and dangerously to the right. They are now a fascism-adjacent movement posing a real threat to this planet’s future.

hahahahahahaha o wow. Glenn Greenwald Is The Greatest Journalist Of Our Time

03-24-2019 , 03:10 PM

#162

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Within the next 30-45min it will be shown to Capitol Hill..

03-24-2019 , 03:15 PM

#163

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https://twitter.com/TrumpsAlert/stat...95165706010624

03-24-2019 , 03:15 PM

#164

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I think the best summation of that guy's hilarious Twitter thread is this part, that Bill chose not to post for some reason:

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10. Nothing but perfunctory hand-wringing, at best, over the fact that the US is now a partner in a far right alliance with some of the most deplorable and oppressive states and leaders in the world: Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Bolsonaro’s Brazil.

It is, of course, the Trump admin that's cozied up to Bolsonaro and Netanyahu so closely, but did you all know that the real fascist threat to the planet's future is the people who didn't wag their fingers loud enough? bahahahahahahahaha

03-24-2019 , 03:24 PM

#165

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https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/stat...82884553236480

03-24-2019 , 03:40 PM

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why is it showing a live stream of a cow's arse

03-24-2019 , 03:42 PM

#167

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that's rude, it was Devin Nunes not a cow's ass

03-24-2019 , 03:42 PM

#168

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https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/s...072460288?s=19

03-24-2019 , 03:46 PM

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03-24-2019 , 03:48 PM

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both sides!!!!!!

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“For each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leave unresolved what the special counsel views as ‘difficult issues’ of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction,” Barr wrote.