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03-27-2019 , 07:03 PM
The Starr Report is the closest thing to Fifty Shades of Grey that the government will ever publish.
03-27-2019 , 07:09 PM
wow, 63 democrats voted against releasing the Starr report? OBSTRUCTIONISTS!

Luckily there's no such shenanigans nowadays. The house voted 420-0 to make the entire Mueller report publicly available, so I for one am looking forward to reading it!
03-28-2019 , 12:16 AM
Heard tonight that Mueller's report is 700+ pages and his grand jury is still going.

In before haters claim that whatever scandals come out should be embarrassing to critics of the coverage.

The complaint has always been that the Russia collusion angle was vastly oversold.

All sorts of other goodies may still get revealed.
03-28-2019 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
Heard tonight that Mueller's report is 700+ pages and his grand jury is still going.

In before haters claim that whatever scandals come out should be embarrassing to critics of the coverage.

The complaint has always been that the Russia collusion angle was vastly oversold.

All sorts of other goodies may still get revealed.


You voted for and support a guy that committed treason.

Good job.
03-28-2019 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
You voted for and support a guy that committed treason.

Good job.
Any chance we can just not do this sort of commentary posting? It's so goddamn tedious. I mean in this instance there's the additional detail that Bill Haywood is a leftist and did not vote for or support Trump. Even if that were not the case though, I'm sick of scrolling through inane attack posts completely unrelated to the conversation. If you want to tell another poster they suck, PM them. If you think anyone else is interested in reading this post, I can assure you they're not.

I don't want to pick on TheHip specifically, this is a convenient example because Bill Haywood is not even a Trump supporter (not to mention that Trump has, in fact, not committed treason), but threads are choked full of this crap. I think I've even soapboxed about it before.
03-28-2019 , 06:29 AM
Like if you're guilty of this sort of posting and the PM suggestion makes you think "I'm not going to PM another poster just to tell them to go **** themselves" then the question "Why am I doing it in public threads then?" is probably worth thinking about.
03-28-2019 , 07:46 AM
The source that the report is 700 pages is Judge Napalitano, a right wing turd who would have no reason to know, but might because maybe FNC ****heads all know and he’s enough of a ****ing dumbass to broadcast the leak.
03-28-2019 , 07:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
Heard tonight that Mueller's report is 700+ pages and his grand jury is still going.

In before haters claim that whatever scandals come out should be embarrassing to critics of the coverage.

The complaint has always been that the Russia collusion angle was vastly oversold.

All sorts of other goodies may still get revealed.
Walking it back already?

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Like if you're guilty of this sort of posting and the PM suggestion makes you think "I'm not going to PM another poster just to tell them to go **** themselves" then the question "Why am I doing it in public threads then?" is probably worth thinking about.
It's cathartic, and anyways these gaslighting chumps really should go **** themselves.
03-28-2019 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Any chance we can just not do this sort of commentary posting? It's so goddamn tedious. I mean in this instance there's the additional detail that Bill Haywood is a leftist and did not vote for or support Trump. Even if that were not the case though, I'm sick of scrolling through inane attack posts completely unrelated to the conversation. If you want to tell another poster they suck, PM them. If you think anyone else is interested in reading this post, I can assure you they're not.

I don't want to pick on TheHip specifically, this is a convenient example because Bill Haywood is not even a Trump supporter (not to mention that Trump has, in fact, not committed treason), but threads are choked full of this crap. I think I've even soapboxed about it before.


Will do.
03-28-2019 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Any chance we can just not do this sort of commentary posting? It's so goddamn tedious. I mean in this instance there's the additional detail that Bill Haywood is a leftist and did not vote for or support Trump. Even if that were not the case though, I'm sick of scrolling through inane attack posts completely unrelated to the conversation. If you want to tell another poster they suck, PM them. If you think anyone else is interested in reading this post, I can assure you they're not.

I don't want to pick on TheHip specifically, this is a convenient example because Bill Haywood is not even a Trump supporter (not to mention that Trump has, in fact, not committed treason), but threads are choked full of this crap. I think I've even soapboxed about it before.
+1 there's a significant contingent of posters who think it's awesome to do le epic twitter style dunks on here as though there's some baying audience of #resistance idiots who are going to be impressed. it's embarrassing and it sucks.
03-28-2019 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kafja
+1 there's a significant contingent of posters who think it's awesome to do le epic twitter style dunks on here as though there's some baying audience of #resistance idiots who are going to be impressed. it's embarrassing and it sucks.
Exactly. Well put.
03-28-2019 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
The complaint has always been that the Russia collusion angle was vastly oversold.
I'm not sure what 'the complaint' is, but if you mean leftist Russiagate skeptics' criticism of media coverage then you're wrong. Glenn Greenwald has presented a variety of complaints and was denying from the beginning that Russia even orchestrated an interference campaign or had any association with Wikileaks.

Glenn is literally calling all non Fox News media fraudulent, so I don't think 'vastly oversold' is an appropriate characterization anyway.

All of the football spiking by GG and dip****s like Michael Tracey is totally dishonest and misrepresents their own positions on Trump/Russia over the last two years.

They're extremely liberal though and always arguing in good faith I'm 100% sure
03-28-2019 , 09:59 AM
This dolt literally said the investigation wouldn't have happened if Barr was his original pick for AG. That seems very legit and on the up and up. How do we get off this darkest timeline?
03-28-2019 , 10:02 AM
GG’s actual position is that the US is evil and Russia should interfere in our affairs and undermine us to whatever extent they can get away with. US citizens should do the same. GG advises US citizens don’t meet the narrow legal definition of treason, but by all means dance in the grey areas all you can, even fine to try to get some prime Moscow real estate out of the deal if you can!

Can understand why he holds these views looking at Iraq War, etc, but doesn’t really resonate with the American public which why you see GG just so blatantly lie about his intentions.

When you understand this, GG “bizzare” behavior of slamming Ds for Russia talk because there are so many horrible things Trump has done Ds should focus on...which GG addresses by teaming up with ****ing Fox News and Tucker Carlson to slam Ds suddenly make sense.
03-28-2019 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
was denying from the beginning that Russia even orchestrated an interference campaign
Prove it.

And note in advance that questioning the proof or impact of interference is not the same as denying its existence.

After Mueller completely whiffed the flop, shouldn't there be more, not less skepticism?
03-28-2019 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
Prove it.

And note in advance that questioning the proof or impact of interference is not the same as denying its existence.

After Mueller completely whiffed the flop, shouldn't there be more, not less skepticism?
Completely whiffed? What world are you living in?
03-28-2019 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Completely whiffed? What world are you living in?


Bill. You haven’t read the mueller report.
03-28-2019 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
Prove it.

And note in advance that questioning the proof or impact of interference is not the same as denying its existence.

After Mueller completely whiffed the flop, shouldn't there be more, not less skepticism?
Sure thing buddy.

Glenn Greenwald on “Dearth of Evidence” Linking Russia to WikiLeaks Release of DNC Emails

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The real issue, though, is that there has been a very extreme dearth of evidence to actually support the claims that have come from the U.S. government, largely, though not exclusively, through anonymous sources laundered through newspapers. People were very skeptical, rightly so, when Julian Assange came out and declared that his source was not the Russian government or any state actor. There’s good reasons for skepticism about whether Julian even knows that and, if he does know that, whether he’s accurately describing who his source is, when he has a duty to protect his source. Unfortunately, there is very little skepticism being applied to the agencies that have repeatedly misled and deceived and lied to the American public, which is the CIA and other intelligence agencies, who, when they’re not lying, are often simply wrong, particularly when it comes to things like attribution of a hack, which is a very difficult thing to pin down.

And so, you have a really consequential and dangerous issue, which is ratcheting up tensions between two nuclear-armed powers, who have decades of tensions, who have almost come to nuclear war on multiple occasions simply through misperception and miscommunication. And all of this is happening in a media environment that has proven over and over that they’ll print anything, no matter how false and dubious, if it feeds the hysteria about Vladimir Putin and the Russians. And so, this is a really toxic environment, and I think that journalists ought to be trying to rein it in and to demand some skepticism and restraint, and, most of all, insist on seeing evidence, conclusive evidence, publicly presented, that what the CIA and the other intelligence agencies are claiming about the Russian government and what they did here is actually correct.
Keep in mind this is the Very Serious Person demanding we treat statements from the CIA and other intelligence agencies with extreme skepticism, yet is currently right now at this very moment uncritically accepting every word from the Iran-Contra guy who was literally appointed to end the Mueller investigation.

All seems very consistent and above board I gotta say
03-28-2019 , 04:26 PM
Whops i thought you were talking about trumps denials.
03-28-2019 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
Sure thing buddy.

Glenn Greenwald on “Dearth of Evidence” Linking Russia to WikiLeaks Release of DNC Emails



Keep in mind this is the Very Serious Person demanding we treat statements from the CIA and other intelligence agencies with extreme skepticism, yet is currently right now at this very moment uncritically accepting every word from the Iran-Contra guy who was literally appointed to end the Mueller investigation.

All seems very consistent and above board I gotta say
seems only fair to add the paragraph immediately preceding your quoted section:

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What’s most remarkable, given how much discussion there has been, how many media reports have been devoted to this topic, what we actually know about any of this is very little. Of course, it’s possible that the Russian government was actually behind these hacks. Nobody has ever said that Russia didn’t do it. Nobody has ever said that this is the sort of thing Putin wouldn’t do. This is the kind of stuff that the U.S. and Russia have both done to one another and to multiple countries around the world for many decades, not just things like this, but far, far worse, in terms of interfering in other countries’ democracies and in their internal affairs.
03-28-2019 , 04:57 PM
He went on TV to say that we can't know for sure who interfered in our elections, and the mainstream media is being reckless by accepting the findings of the CIA at face value.

The Barr letter stated, among other things, that the Russian government interfered in our elections and Glenn is spiking the football saying he was right all along and the mainstream media is fraudulent.
03-28-2019 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
Bill. You haven’t read the mueller report.
Even if the Mueller Report contains nothing that isn’t already public knowledge, his investigation has been anything but a whiff.
03-28-2019 , 05:02 PM
At this point, I’m fairly certain that Keed is GG. Only thing that makes sense.
03-28-2019 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
At this point, I’m fairly certain that Keed is GG. Only thing that makes sense.
I'd give GG credit for not hanging around confed Libertarians

      
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