Morons yelling at other morons about pit bulls - Page 23 - Politics and Economics

Well, good points well taken and thanks for that response. I won't say I fully agree, but I think I've said my piece and probably more than once already, so let's say I no longer have a dog in this fight. Unsubscribed.

02-13-2018 , 11:27 AM

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6ix

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02-13-2018 , 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 6ix

It's literally one of the main reasons I brought up pitbulls in a politics forum. There's been a resurgence in scientific racism or 'race realism' ( https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2...mate-science/# ) and I noticed this once-settled pitbuul issue had risen from the dead. I wasn't playing when I said that OOT thread actually disturbed me for a few days before it became funny again.

Was the original settling more straight forward than this thread? Settled for who? 2+2ers (excluding politards)? Veterinarians? Governments?

02-14-2018 , 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

We have two pit threads and no one has a single coherent answer as to why people can't make do with golden retrievers instead of pits. Just anecdotal **** about how they personally have never been mauled and semantic bull**** about how no one even knows what a pitbull is. This is honestly the most one-sided debate in 2p2 history.

Yeah wanting to maintain the species is literally a character flaw. People use them to make themselves feel stronger and more powerful.

Like I said before we don’t need to kill any (besides those who are already subject to local laws for whatever) but we can end their production so they die out. There are so many breeds of dogs, defending pit bulls if you have one is fine, acting like a pit bull is the only kind of dog that you can ever like makes you weird.

02-14-2018 , 07:20 AM

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Rex Ingram

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acting like there is a valid reason why pit bulls need to die out is much more weird

02-14-2018 , 11:13 AM

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Except for all the people they kill and maul, caring more about an animal than people is pretty weird.

02-14-2018 , 12:17 PM

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Rex Ingram

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Except that nothing about them makes them more predisposed to killing and mauling than any other breed. If you'd care about people being killed and mauled by dogs, you'd punish people who neglect and abuse dogs

02-14-2018 , 12:25 PM

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No one is saying abusive owners shouldn't be punished.

02-14-2018 , 12:47 PM

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6ix

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

Was the original settling more straight forward than this thread? Settled for who? 2+2ers (excluding politards)? Veterinarians? Governments?

I'm all like, OK, let me type out a nice, thoughtful and thorough reply to my main man Oro, but then I scroll past your post and put another divot in my forehead from facepalming. Raincheck.

02-14-2018 , 12:53 PM

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6ix

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Except for all the people they kill and maul, caring more about an animal than people is pretty weird.

Maybe this,

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6ix

I mean, maybe some blanks will help and also highlight why this fascinates me.

A: ____ are ____, they are only __% of the ____ but account for __% of ____.

B: Yeah but uhhh those numbers are comically incorrect so there goes your premise.

A: Well I still feeeel like my premise is true.

One main pillar of this Politics forum is clowning A in that scenario.

was too complicated so let me help you:

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Originally Posted by 6ix

I mean, maybe some blanks will help and also highlight why this fascinates me.

Kerowo: Black people are bad, they are only 1% of the peoples but account for 99% of the bad things.

B: Yeah but uhhh those numbers are comically incorrect so there goes your premise.

K: Well I still feeeel like my premise is true.

One main pillar of this Politics forum is clowning A in that scenario.

02-14-2018 , 01:02 PM

#561

6ix

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

No one is saying abusive owners shouldn't be punished.

You're not saying anything, you're smashing your coffee maker pretending to be illiterate to pwn the libs to pwn the pittards.

02-14-2018 , 01:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex Ingram

1. You still are caring more about dogs than people, that's weird.
2. When dachshunds start killing 20+ people a year we'll ban them too.

02-14-2018 , 01:47 PM

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I'm all like, OK, let me type out a nice, thoughtful and thorough reply to my main man Oro, but then I scroll past your post and put another divot in my forehead from facepalming. Raincheck.

Lol well this is just boring at this point. Pit bulls: maybe not as bad as you thought.

Not leaving your child alone with a pit bull: good parenting or doggy racism?

02-14-2018 , 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kerowo

1. You still are caring more about dogs than people, that's weird.
2. When dachshunds start killing 20+ people a year we'll ban them too.

This is very reminiscent of RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM herp derp. 20 people is about as much as get killed by champagne corks. With populations of 325 million people and 5 million or whatever pits, it seems like sensationalist garbage.

02-14-2018 , 02:46 PM

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Rex Ingram

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

1. You still are caring more about dogs than people, that's weird.
2. When dachshunds start killing 20+ people a year we'll ban them too.

So what is the threshold for people being killed by a breed before we outlaw them?

Does the same threshold apply to other things that cause fatalities ? Swimming pools? Furniture?

02-14-2018 , 02:49 PM

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We have pretty extensive safety regulations on swimming pool ownership.

Also, we have laws that say I can't own a lion despite there being ~0 lion death in the US last year.

02-14-2018 , 02:56 PM

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Rex Ingram

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

We have pretty extensive safety regulations on swimming pool ownership.
.

And yet a ton of people die annually

02-14-2018 , 03:13 PM

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And yet a ton of people die annually

lol, this is the exact same dumbass argument the NRA makes to defend assault rifle ownership.

Any reason why a non-fighting breed wouldn't make just as good a pet as a pitbull?

02-14-2018 , 03:18 PM

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Rex Ingram

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

lol, this is the exact same dumbass argument the NRA makes to defend assault rifle ownership.

Any reason why a non-fighting breed wouldn't make just as good a pet as a pitbull?

No reason, just as there is no reason why a pit bull wouldn't make as good of a pet as any other dog.

02-14-2018 , 04:03 PM

#570

6ix

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

Lol well this is just boring at this point. Pit bulls: maybe not as bad as you thought.

Not leaving your child alone with a pit bull: good parenting or doggy racism?

Did I inadvertently insult you again, or did you decide the Trolly thing is more fun?

02-14-2018 , 04:28 PM

#571

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

We have pretty extensive safety regulations on swimming pool ownership.

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Yeah, they're banned right?

02-14-2018 , 04:35 PM

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6ix

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Wait but srsly Trolly do you believe this to be true?

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Originally Posted by microbet

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And I think based on what data there is (look at the wikipedia on dog attack fatalities and how sharply it increased in the last 20 years and how many are pitbulls - did people not use guard dogs before? were there not "trash people" as you say in the past?) That along with anecdotal evidence and the reasonableness of assuming dogs bred to fight to the death might be more dangerous than breeds that weren't bred to do that adds up to reasonable conjecture imo.

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02-14-2018 , 04:43 PM

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Oh, we doing wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Dog attack risk

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In a 2014 literature review of dog bite studies, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) states that breed is a poor sole predictor of dog bites.[29] Controlled studies do not show pit bulls to be disproportionately dangerous. While pit bull-type dogs are more frequently identified with cases involving very severe injuries or fatalities than other breeds, the review suggests this may relate to the popularity of the breed, noting that sled dogs and Siberian Huskies compose a majority of fatal dog attacks in some areas of Canada.[24]

In a 2000 review by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which examines data from both media reports and from The Humane Society of the United States, pit bull-type dogs were identified in approximately one-third of dog bite-related fatalities in the United States between 1981 and 1992. However, the review notes that studies on dog bite-related fatalities which collect information by surveying news reports are subject to potential errors, as some fatal attacks may not have been reported, a study might not find all relevant news reports, and the dog breed might be misidentified.[30] The AVMA has also noted fundamental problems with tracking breed in dog bite-related fatalities.[31] In a 2013 study of 256 fatalities in the United States from 2000–2009, the AVMA determined that valid breed determination was possible for only 17.6% of cases.[32]

02-14-2018 , 04:44 PM

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I am taking more time to consider your points. The physical explanation for observed behaviors is compelling for sure. I want to talk about it more. That said, it doesn’t change the result much if a dog is more likely to shake the life out of a an animal or not let go of a person because it is more able to or if it is more compelled to.