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Mass Shootings at Mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand Mass Shootings at Mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand

03-16-2019 , 01:09 AM
https://twitter.com/AJENews/status/1106742188044681222

03-16-2019 , 01:11 AM
IT'S JUST A SILLY MEME
03-16-2019 , 01:50 AM
A teenager went and smashed an egg on Fraser Anning's head today. Naturally, I am appalled by this lack of civility in our discourse.
03-16-2019 , 02:37 AM
Prayers and thoughts for people that died praying

me when I hear someone saying that

@#*($@$&@(#%&@%(#@*$&@
03-16-2019 , 05:15 AM
Hey, do you guys hate yourselves? Me too. Let's check in on what Dinesh D'Souza thinks about this.

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Dinesh D'Souza
‏Verified account
@DineshDSouza

Any act of terror is evil. But if a Muslim guy shot up a church in New Zealand it would not be news here. The media is going crazy over this #MosqueAttack for one reason: it fits their narrative. Muslims good, white man bad! So part of the story here is how #FakeNews is made
Uh yeah dog I think I am going to need you to $how your work on bolded.
03-16-2019 , 05:34 AM
America doesn't have a Fraser Anning, but a couple hundred thousand Texans see fit to keep giving this guy a congressional seat, a member in good standing within the GOP caucus.

03-16-2019 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard
America doesn't have a Fraser Anning, but a couple hundred thousand Texans see fit to keep giving this guy a congressional seat, a member in good standing within the GOP caucus.

Dispute resolutions? What in the actual ****?

He's literally a real life version of this cartoon:



Radical Right Wing White Supremacists: We want to kill Muslims!

99% of Muslims: We want to live in peace.

Louie Gohmert: Dispute resolution?
03-16-2019 , 06:33 AM
To me the weird thing is his total inability to express himself in emotional terms. "Egregiously reprehensible"? Can't you just go with "awful", or "horrific", or one of the zillion other words English has for this sort of thing? This applies even if he's just trying to fake emotion.
03-16-2019 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
A teenager went and smashed an egg on Fraser Anning's head today. Naturally, I am appalled by this lack of civility in our discourse.
How the **** did this guy become a Senator? Seriously ... how did that happen?
03-16-2019 , 07:29 AM
I keep seeing the terrorist referred to as a white supremacist, but I don't think that's the right label. I read a fair amount of his manifesto (it rambled), and what he calls himself is a nationalist, and from the rest of what he says, that seems like the appropriate label. He says this:

"I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations."

If anyone can point to where he says whites should rule over inferior races or something more indicative to supremacy, I'd of course change my understanding. I searched the document for those terms and couldn't find anything that supported it. As for why I think it's important to accurately describe terrorists, it's harder to stop a problem if you misunderstand it. And not knowing what motivates terrorists makes them harder to stop, since your efforts are spend countering the wrong ideology.
03-16-2019 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
This ties into the pewdiepie thing. It's all passed off as just edgy jokes to trigger the libs until someone shoots a mosque. Then they cheer and we find out these people were never really joking after all.
I said something like this on reddit and got a year's worth of downvotes in 1 day.
03-16-2019 , 07:30 AM
Jfc
03-16-2019 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by somigosaden
I keep seeing the terrorist referred to as a white supremacist, but I don't think that's the right label. I read a fair amount of his manifesto (it rambled), and what he calls himself is a nationalist, and from the rest of what he says, that seems like the appropriate label. He says this:

"I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations."

If anyone can point to where he says whites should rule over inferior races or something more indicative to supremacy, I'd of course change my understanding. I searched the document for those terms and couldn't find anything that supported it. As for why I think it's important to accurately describe terrorists, it's harder to stop a problem if you misunderstand it. And not knowing what motivates terrorists makes them harder to stop, since your efforts are spend countering the wrong ideology.


Lol **** off
03-16-2019 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
How the **** did this guy become a Senator? Seriously ... how did that happen?
It's your lucky day, I posted about that ITT earlier today.

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Originally Posted by somigosaden
I keep seeing the terrorist referred to as a white supremacist, but I don't think that's the right label. I read a fair amount of his manifesto (it rambled), and what he calls himself is a nationalist, and from the rest of what he says, that seems like the appropriate label. He says this:

"I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations."

If anyone can point to where he says whites should rule over inferior races or something more indicative to supremacy, I'd of course change my understanding. I searched the document for those terms and couldn't find anything that supported it. As for why I think it's important to accurately describe terrorists, it's harder to stop a problem if you misunderstand it. And not knowing what motivates terrorists makes them harder to stop, since your efforts are spend countering the wrong ideology.
Ethno-nationalism to the degree he practices it is inherently white supremacist, because we live in a world with extremely unequal distribution of resources, and guys like Tarrant justify that with an appeal to the inherent superiority of white people or white culture, as opposed to, you know, the legacy of colonialism and slavery, environmental factors, blind luck, etc etc. By "let's live with our own kind" is meant "you guys keep living in poverty and we'll keep chowing down on all the resources over here".
03-16-2019 , 07:45 AM
Sure, let's take the homicidal maniac at his word that he only wants peace and prosperity for everyone. Maybe, just maybe, the reason he (and other white supremicists) want segregated ethnostates is that they think that White people coming in contact with non-White people, cultures and practices, taints those beautiful and virtuous white people. It's also much better marketing than calling for genocide. I am sure there must be some rubes out there who will believe them.
03-16-2019 , 07:46 AM
Not to mention that usually these guys are calling for the forced relocation of millions of people of color, which in practice will mean genocide (what else do you do if they refuse to go?).
03-16-2019 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by somigosaden
I keep seeing the terrorist referred to as a white supremacist, but I don't think that's the right label. I read a fair amount of his manifesto (it rambled), and what he calls himself is a nationalist, and from the rest of what he says, that seems like the appropriate label. He says this:

"I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations."

If anyone can point to where he says whites should rule over inferior races or something more indicative to supremacy, I'd of course change my understanding. I searched the document for those terms and couldn't find anything that supported it. As for why I think it's important to accurately describe terrorists, it's harder to stop a problem if you misunderstand it. And not knowing what motivates terrorists makes them harder to stop, since your efforts are spend countering the wrong ideology.
Imagine trying this **** and feeling smug about it in 2019 lol
03-16-2019 , 08:09 AM
There's a crowdfunding campaign for any legal costs faced by the kid who egged Anning. I doubt he'll have any legal problems though.

Edit: The fund also promises to cover the costs of any additional eggs required, lol.
03-16-2019 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by somigosaden
I keep seeing the terrorist referred to as a white supremacist, but I don't think that's the right label. I read a fair amount of his manifesto (it rambled), and what he calls himself is a nationalist, and from the rest of what he says, that seems like the appropriate label. He says this:

"I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations."

If anyone can point to where he says whites should rule over inferior races or something more indicative to supremacy, I'd of course change my understanding. I searched the document for those terms and couldn't find anything that supported it. As for why I think it's important to accurately describe terrorists, it's harder to stop a problem if you misunderstand it. And not knowing what motivates terrorists makes them harder to stop, since your efforts are spend countering the wrong ideology.
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is trolling as opposed to this being what you actually believe, and therefore am going to give you a 1 day ban.

Regards,

—jman220
03-16-2019 , 10:55 AM
The media is sick, our society is sick, we are all exposed to it. If this was a Muslim that killed white people the coverage would be non-stop. But because it was a white killing Muslims it is already almost out of the news cycle.

What drives the new cycle? Viewership, interest, fear and what we value and how much we value it. If we cant care about other humans and get over our evolutionary basic distrust and dislike of others that are not our group then we are doomed.
03-16-2019 , 11:04 AM
I seriously think the only way it changes is if it happens to a powerful white Republican. It’s the only way they ever learn. No that is not an endorsement of violence.
03-16-2019 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
The media is sick, our society is sick, we are all exposed to it. If this was a Muslim that killed white people the coverage would be non-stop. But because it was a white killing Muslims it is already almost out of the news cycle.



What drives the new cycle? Viewership, interest, fear and what we value and how much we value it. If we cant care about other humans and get over our evolutionary basic distrust and dislike of others that are not our group then we are doomed.
This seems like it has been the major news story in the world, and it still is. So I think your point - that people don't care because it was a white guy killing Muslims - is false. If anything the blatant and unapologetic racism of the shooting is why it is such major news (dozens of people get killed practically weekly in the Middle East and it's barely a blip on the news here at this point).

Agree with you that society is sick.
03-16-2019 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
This seems like it has been the major news story in the world, and it still is. So I think your point - that people don't care because it was a white guy killing Muslims - is false. If anything the blatant and unapologetic racism of the shooting is why it is such major news (dozens of people get killed practically weekly in the Middle East and it's barely a blip on the news here at this point).

Agree with you that society is sick.
I am not saying people don't care, I am saying they care way less than if it was a Muslim killing whites. This thread would be 40 pages if it was reversed.
03-16-2019 , 11:29 AM
How the shooter's meme-filled manifesto was designed to exploit our ****ty journalistic system

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This manifesto is the work of someone who understands the Internet and how to metaphorically weaponize it. He understood that he had two audiences: the anonymous racists on 8chan who would celebrate their inclusion in a horrific mass murder, and the media, which would lead the rest of the world’s search for meaning.
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The New Zealand gunman created a message about himself that was designed to exploit these systems, to go viral before his claims could be examined and contextualized. Even the act of attempting to parse what is “genuine” and what is “just trolling” in his comments helps to spread something false: that within the context of an extreme online space there are parts that are dangerous and parts that are not.
03-16-2019 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
I am not saying people don't care, I am saying they care way less than if it was a Muslim killing whites. This thread would be 40 pages if it was reversed.
I'd dispute your earlier contention that this story is "almost out of the news cycle", but yes, this is a much better way of putting what you were trying to say.

      
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