that's just some fashionable **** to read in prison, mainly because most people in prison are dumbasses

Sure, but like, what's been the major change in those twenty years? As far as I can tell, it's been to largely abandon the boring economic stuff and to go all in on racial resentment and authoritarianism. And... it worked!

I agree both parties will continue to evolve and change over the long run. I suspect the main area of disagreement here is what that change will look like, and how long it will take.

Right now, all of the evidence points to the GOP becoming more fasicstic. It's working for them. They are winning. And they have MAJOR structural advantages due to gerrymandering, clustering, and rigging that will offset the demographic changes for a long time.

They can keep winning with this formula for another 20+ years. Tweak it, sure. But they aren't going to wither and die and become something completely different in the short term.

Good thing you two didn't plan the D-Day invasion. There'd be a lot more goose stepping and a lot less Jews if you had.

They're not destroying "our" right to vote cause you and I aren't in areas affected.


And you haven't noticed that the outrage caused by all of that would have hardly been talked about twenty years ago?

ahh man good thing its ****ing 2018 now innit

A friend on my bowling team is both Jewish and Republican. I'll be seeing him this week, and I'm wondering if it would be wrong to bring up the synagogue massacre. I'm quite certain he was upset about it...and I don't want to make things worse or hurt our friendship.

I'm sure everything will be fine if I just don't mention it, but doing so doesn't do anything to change his mind. And I really think he is one whose mind could be changed. I mean he's supporting the party that wouldn't dream of banning assault rifles and so on... How are you guys going to be handling similar situations that may come up this week?

My dad converted to Judaism in his late 50s because he backpacked in israel once as a young man and really liked it. He's also a full blown deplorable. He stopped going to temple because they were too liberal.

I brought it up yesterday while fixing his laptop. I asked him if it bothered him that Trump didn't even bother to go to Pittsburgh and instead went to a campaign rally to complain about democrats.

We rarely talk politics because he gets upset pretty easily. He wasn't upset. He actually sounded really disappointed and said " oh, I didn't know that. " A couple seconds later his programming kicked in and said if he had democrats would have just ripped him for trying to use the tragedy for political points. I countered that well that shouldn't matter, he should go anyways right? And maybe he could have not blamed democrats or made it about himself and simply talked about us coming together to stop this?

He fell silent for awhile. It actually seemed to get through to him. Not that it mattered because after going back to watching Fox news he started complaining about democrats again and said he's gonna do he's gonna do his mail in ballot soon and joked about me voting straight Republican with him.

Laptop story for the lulz. He had texted me for a couple days that his laptop was broken and wouldn't even turn on. No light, no nothing. Said the charger wouldn't even get warm when he plugged it in. I came over, plugged it in, and it turned on and everything was fine with the laptop. And no this wasn't a ploy to see me, I see him pretty often and we rarely get along.

Like you said, it's probably just a disagreement of time. I have recollections of politics that go back to Reagan. I haven't seen a portion of this country being so outraged at one party as it is now with the Republican party. Browsing /politics on reddit and then looking at t_d I see a lot more activity on /politics, and with a clear message that people are fed up with the GOP pushing the boundaries with the racist stuff.

NC, VA, and PA struck down gerrymandering recently. So I'm kind of hopeful that GA and TX are isolated incidents of apparent abuse in voting.

It doesn’t matter how mad people are if Republicans successfully rig everything. We are already very close to having zero actual recourse short of violence.

They draw rigged districts, suppress the vote, outright rig the vote, then count on reliably deplorable judges when it goes to court. This worked against black people for over 100 years after the civil war. It’s going to work again.

Because our military leaders relied on 1 source for their military knowledge? This is just a stupid generalization that is bad and should make you feel bad.

Ask him how he reconciles supporting a party largely responsible for creating the atmosphere that encouraged the shooter to attack the synagogue. If he can't admit that's what is going on there isn't much point going further with it.

I’ve never heard of two of those companies, but good for them. Any other companies that do business with GAB that we can put pressure on?

The main thing to focus on would be pressuring Twitter to deplatform Gab, I'm not optimistic about that ever happening.

GAB uses twitter? I thought GAB was a twitter alternative? I am very confused and my old is showing.

They use their twitter account to recruit. I assume he meant deplatform their twitter account so they can't do that anymore.

Ah, thanks.

GAB is also a homebase where they go to lick their wounds and plan reopening their next Twitter account after getting banned, but I shouldn't need to tell anyone who posts here that these people are never content to just have a safe space to spread this ****.


The story here wasn't Politics regs invading SMP after they discovered posts by Wookie implying raping your slaves was wrong, after all.

dude I got purged from the voter rolls and in the lookup system there was no evidence I had ever lived in my state.

I mean, it wasnt that bad but I def had to jump through some hoops to get to vote again. so yes, I live in one of the worst states for vote suppression.

not sure about your 2nd point either. nor do I really know what youre overall point is. I guess you think thisisfine.jpeg so ok cool? but again I maintain you wrong bro.

Sorry to hear that. I assumed you were from Cali given your posts about rent control in the Oct. thread, and didn't think Cali would purge people unless it was clerical errors.


No, I don't think the current state of affairs is fine. I think you others have this view that it will go on forever though. It was my point of contention with Dvaut's post. I don't see what the GOP has been up to lasting much longer. 1) people are outraged over the most egregious actions in the past few months 2) demographics of the future changing where the angry white sections of the populace will have diminishing power over the rest of us 3) given two the GOP will have to either throw in the towel in fueling the white rage or lighten the tone and throw bones to minorities to offset their base weakening over time

ya Im in ohio. one of the first states to purge if you missed a presidential election and then supposedly send a postcard notifying you needed to reregister.

anyway, we just disagree on how long the gop can hang onto power as a minority. they are already blatantly cheating with gerrymandering and suppression. I think they will go straight to vote rigging and the changing demographics of the populace wont matter a bit then.

Ive talked to my parents about how bad things are. I thought for sure my dad would be like ya, 70s were bad and divisive and draw a bit of a parallel to now. but he was like no, things are way worse now. I said even with the war and kent state and all the riots and beatings and he still claimed things are way worse now.

In case you were wondering, the common response within the Israeli right-wing has been that the Jewish left-wing, Soros and HIAS (w/e the **** that is) are to blame for the attack.

One of the most famous right-wing online personalities (a rapper called 'the shaddow' who has ~500k followers) wrote in response to a left-wing parliament member:
"Jews like you and your friends brought us the holocaust, now you bring upon us antisemitism".
The rest of the post details how Soros is trying to destroy America.

Israeli fascists are on the Nazi side and they are not some fringe psycho group.

Now? Are you really? Because you sure didn't seem to be several months ago. If you really are listening now, what actions are you willing to take? Because you punted more than the Buffalo Bills several months ago.

I'm sure this mass shooting hits home with you. It's frightening to me as well, but I do not come from a Jewish family, so I cannot have quite the same perspective as you on this shooting.

It should be clear to you, the administrator of an internet forum which, though waning in traffic/userbase, this forum still has a wide reach. The posts that are made on the forums are there for the entire world to see, and the communities which are allowed to develop on internet forums such as this can have wide reaching impact into the "real", analog world.

Imagine the type of conversation that would be going on right now on this very site if Poliltics 7.whitepower had been allowed to stay open, and all the deplorables had remained active in "discussing" politics. We just had multiple assassination attempts by a nutjob MAGA Florida man. There would have been many people in P7 calling it a false flag. We just had a synagogue shooting driven by pure white nationalist hatred of Jews. There would have been more assertions of false flags, and expressions of anti semitism.

The reason you took the action you did, when you did, in 86ing the forum is because the almighty dollar drove you to. The threat of advertisers being informed of the digusting content that was allowed to fester on this site and pulling ads was the final straw. It wasn't a no-brainer moral decision. It wasn't an administrative paradigm of forum federalism. You made yourself very clear that you're a "forum's rights!" kind of guy. If the mods allow it, it's not your problem, and you're not going to do a damn thing about it.

Maybe if you hop on over to places like gab, or voat, and look at the kind of content there, and then look at the fact that the synaguge shooter, and MAGA bomber were both deeply involved in such communities, you'll come to realise that you have responsibilities to a lot more people than you previously thought.

Online communities like reddit, twitter, 4chan, voat, facebook, twoplustwo, gaia online, cheifs planet, they are all open to the world in terms of registration/users, but also eyes. If you had allowed Politics7.whitepower to fester, you could have found yourself in the positon of trying to figure out what the hell to do about one of your users that just commited an atrocity in the analog world.

Now, several months ago when the future of P7, and its direction of modding was being debated, you punted the football very hard on transgender folks. It seemed to me that things like outwardly calling black men and women ******s, or expressing antisemetism, were taboo and would be dealt with at the administrative level. However, trans folks got the big "meh, forum's rights!". Maybe if you had a trans family member, you would have felt differently. And maybe once these nut jobs start slaughtering trans men and women like they just did to Jewish people who you might feel more of an affinity towards, you'll come to realize that "forum's rights" is ****ing nonsense, and you'll come to the shocking realizationi that a federalist, hard line stance against hatred towards any and ALL minorities is what you should do as the administrator of an internet forum with a very wide reach into the real world.

i just said i was listening. i didn't say i was doing anything. in fact the post i responded to suggested that doing nothing was preferable to many other alternatives.

the current moderators of this forum who operate with essentially no guidance from admins seem to have your back, however. i do have a family member who identifies as trans, btw.