Stormfront made a literal hit list of Jews in the media:



Chuck Todd finds it necessary to interview a white nationalist, though.

Jake Tapper finds it necessary to spend hours reading Ben Sasse's book and promoting him as some kind of moderate deity who will bring balance to the Force or whatever.

Etc. etc. When will these people wake the **** up and realize conservatives are the enemy and want them to die?

DVaut- I disagree I think the drumbeat of making clear that Bowers held mainstream Republican views on immigration is a very important pushback because as soon as the bodies are in the ground CBS is going to go back to doing straight news BREAKING reports from the caravan.

Their incentives need to be realigned, but I think it's probably too late. If the left starts yelling at Chuck Todd he won't understand why, he's sleep eyes liberal Chuck Todd what could the left possibly be angry at him about? Like we could ****ing kill one of them and they wouldn't get it.

huh

this was the very first thing trump said and like right after it happened

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/statu...50804822388737

I have a lot of friends I've known for 8 years from underground festivals that I like to keep in touch with. It sounds lame but we're pretty close. I make trips to hang out with some of the closer ones, been to a few of their weddings. On top of hanging out every couple months at festivals.

No way I could keep in touch with all of them without something like facebook. That said obviously I don't feel good about supporting it.

Oh dear god, I couldn't disagree more and I think this is extremely dangerous thinking. If the GOP loses in 2018, MAYBE like 5 strategist types will suggest a different path (see 2012) but they will be back selling white grievances to deplorables in full force by early 2019. They cannot survive without it. This is their whole business model.

95% of the current crop of Republicans were elected by stark raving, furious deplorables. Their political survival is intertwined with that world view's success.

Shame on me here but again, it's hard to disassociate from Twitter when people are putting content on there. But listen to this George Washington professor. I'm gonna link to his first and last posts in the chain.

Read 1-14 though:





They can't quit this because they have nowhere else to turn to unite the right and get any sort of popular mass of voters. This is their Waterloo. This guy is right -- the GOP you imagine is out there is never coming back, this is it, strap in for a while until at least the Boomers die off, you can't talk them out of this, facts won't matter, results won't matter, this is the new American political ethos for some time into the future now.

Sounds like you talked yourself into my side of it, by the end here. The mainstream media is a business enterprise beholden to something far afield from guardians of pluralist democracy. Since their incentives are to make money, not protect norms, it's very bad of us to assume they will protect norms and stop inviting Erick Erickson on for fireside chats about both-sides-do-it while Erickson simultaneously says Democrats are doing the caravan. They won't, we know they won't, it's on us if we never stop assuming they won't pull the football away.

I mean, come the **** on:



This **** is galling but really, at this point, it's on us for paying attention. It matters, it's good to be aware of what's happening out there, but we are complicit if we expect anything different at all and thinking hectoring Chuck Todd is going to do any bit of good. It won't.

Dvault,

That ignores that there are a lot of people voting Dem (not to pick on anyone other than Max - say Max) who would be perfectly happy voting R. The Republicans were put in this position partly because of the deplorable branch going back to Reagan and Goldwater sure, but Bill Clinton seizing the middle is part of what leaves the Republicans needing something like National Socialism.

The answer is the same either way though. Dems need to move back to being the party of FDR. They either win and great or drive off people who want to eliminate capital gains taxes, but not attend klan rallies, who can then nominate Bloomberg as the Republican nominee. Right now the Dem party is the perfect place for conservatives who aren't Nazis.

Either way, neither party will lead on this issue. They will both go where the voters take them.

You're wrong in the long run. The GOP has to change its tone if it wants to survive because relying on whites to win elections won't be as effective in the near future.

The grandparents always said keep a suitcase packed, enough cash on hand to leave the country at a moment's notice, and they come for us in every generation.

Depends on what you mean by near future. Them completely rigging the judicial system means they can probably rig the elections for like 30 years. Not just voter suppression but legit rigging, we're already seeing some of it. That'll get worse as they get more desperate.

Kind of amazing how fact free the MAGA derposphere is. The reason we know about a caravan in the first place is that right wing swamps want to scare and rile their base before the midterms and the mainstream media feels like they have to cover it because they don't want to be accused of left wing bias even though anyone with who knows anything knows the caravan is going to go to the border, be processed, and melt away just like all the others and no America's life is going to threatened.

And these guys are like "oh look I wonder why a caravan is happening and getting all this attention right before the midterms, must be something going on here"

Whites will be a minority sometime in the 40s. It won't take that long for the white vote to become diluted to the point that the GOP will have to make a bigger effort to grift current minorities.

To a surrounded enemy, you must leave a way of escape—Sun Tzu

I don’t think the highly over-generalized demonization of every Republican, every conservative, every right leaning Independent and everyone who voted for Trump is following Sun Tzu's advice; I think it’s doing just the opposite and I think Trump knows that and he keeps prodding the left to keep at it.

You're right - we absolutely do not have Trump and Trumpism surrounded. We are so much more ****ed than that.

Isn't racism and white cultural grievances the lifeblood of the GOP? The party's existence isn't possible if racism and grifting is no longer acceptable. If the base isn't getting their dose of poison from the GOP they'll be forced to turn elsewhere.

They got the tax cut grift to drop back on when they cannot fire up the sweathogs and hillbillies.

Another example of how people are not good. I want Americans to have more guns.

If we can't convert them and we've exhausted our activism, the only thing left is to de-activate them. That's all I'm implying.

Isn't the tax cut grift just window dressing? If the GOP gambles on making a show of welcoming non-whites, and (somehow) has some success, wouldn't the racist white base take their ball and look for some other shyster to rip them off while talking like them? If enough POC joined the GOP they would probably change its name due to its racist connotation and history. So the GOP survives, but perhaps not even in name, and certainly not recognizable as the GOP we all know and love. It can't maintain it's place as the party of white supremacists if it doesn't do the white supremacy, and a lot of Republicans would probably rather go down with the ship than be forced to treat POC fairly.

Tax cut isn't really popular. Most of the ones who even support it support it because they support everything Republicans do because it's their tribe of racism and hatred. Take that away from and the tax cut popularity sinks even lower.

I guess they could try and actually give meaningful tax cuts to the middle class for a change. But that would take a complete restructuring of the Republican party.

Are you doubting there isn't a whole bunch of Awval666-esque people who will let Hitler take over if it means he gets $20 extra a month? They may not like current tax cuts, but they sure as **** lineup with their hand open for the next round.

The $20 is just for plausible deniability, the truth is they'd let Hitler take over for free.

A bunch? Yes. Enough to wield significant political power? No.

I just don't think in even ten years time on a national level that the GOP can run on white supremacy with it having the same effect as it does today. Maybe in Georgia or some states, but not a national level. There's already some % of Republicans who turned away from the anti-immigrant stuff (famously Dale Jr.). I think in some part there has been a clear message that a majority now and a majority that will be even bigger will not tolerate racism. Maybe the GOP will wither away because in insists on keeping the platform though.