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Rod Rosenstein
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2 5.41%
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1 2.70%
Mick Mulvaney
2 5.41%
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03-19-2019 , 05:09 PM
Part of the decline in the US labor force participation rate is the baby boomer generation reaching retirement age.
03-19-2019 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
It's being handled appropriately no worries
Sounds like a POG mod could not solve the puzzle of internet access.

I would like to start a puzzle and game thread in politics.
03-19-2019 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I would like to start a puzzle and game thread in politics.
It's been done before
03-19-2019 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Sounds like a POG mod could not solve the puzzle of internet access.
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Originally Posted by soah
Your concerns are noted, but I have a very high threshold for permabanning someone who has posted more than 60,000 times (across both accounts) with zero infractions or user notes, and carelessly (as opposed to maliciously) being insensitive does not come close to it.
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Originally Posted by soah
My internet died right after my last post and I was out of credit on my phone. I wasn't intending to abandon this discussion right then. As long as Dustin starts abiding by his self-ban then I don't see an urgent need to make any rulings right now.
DG makes a post pointing out that no one's ever been sued for hosting conspiracy woo woo ~12 hours after that post.
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If you have any sense at all you will shut up and stop arguing with the literal only person who has defended you.
Can't imagine why there are zero infractions or user notes on either account...
03-19-2019 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Part of the decline in the US labor force participation rate is the baby boomer generation reaching retirement age.
the graph is ages 15 to 64. if anything the 55-64 year olds probably have higher work rates than 15-24 year olds so an older population would show a rise.

i think the opiods epidemic is more likely a major factor. maybe the criminal justice system. maybe less movement on gender norms than elsewhere. maybe something else entirely
03-19-2019 , 05:51 PM
Ah yes. I missed that part.

Could also be an increase in people with two or more jobs.
03-19-2019 , 06:26 PM
MS senate passes a ban on all abortions after 6 weeks, effectively outlawing abortion in the state completely.

The first step towards our real life Handmaids Tale.
03-19-2019 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
the graph is ages 15 to 64. if anything the 55-64 year olds probably have higher work rates than 15-24 year olds so an older population would show a rise.

i think the opiods epidemic is more likely a major factor. maybe the criminal justice system. maybe less movement on gender norms than elsewhere. maybe something else entirely
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/



03-19-2019 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
That was a super fun game iirc it was my very first ww game. Tom coached me up in dvc afterward, I always thought it was weird afterward that he knew so much about the game but I'd never see him play after that game
03-19-2019 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
West Virginia at the top? I thought Trump cared about those coal miners! I'm sure the loosened safety restrictions have likely contributed to the black lung epidemic in the coal industry.
03-19-2019 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
West Virginia at the top? I thought Trump cared about those coal miners! I'm sure the loosened safety restrictions have likely contributed to the black lung epidemic in the coal industry.
Let's check the tape...



yep...
03-19-2019 , 09:48 PM
They must not know. Someone should tell those people they don’t like the welfare state so the can get off comp.
03-19-2019 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
That was a super fun game iirc it was my very first ww game. Tom coached me up in dvc afterward, I always thought it was weird afterward that he knew so much about the game but I'd never see him play after that game
In for the next one
03-19-2019 , 11:40 PM
We need something to call the sexual subtext evangelicals use to describe homosexuality.

03-20-2019 , 12:10 AM
Let's talk that Kraft prostitution arrest. Here's how Business Insider reported it at the time:

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New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft's prostitution charges on Friday were part of a bust for what police said was a large-scale human-trafficking and prostitution ring in Florida.

Within the ring, women were trafficked and coerced into working as prostitutes in 10 different spas and massage parlors, according to the Vero Beach Police Department.

The victims were forced to live in the spas for days, sometimes months, "for the purpose of sexual servitude," according to the charges. Many of them came from China on temporary work visas, believing they'd get legitimate jobs in the US, Vero Beach Police Chief David Currey said in a press conference.

"These girls are there all day long, into the evening. They can't leave and they're performing sex acts," he said. "Some of them may tell us they're OK, but they're not."

The police did not identify the number of women considered to be victims in the trafficking ring. Authorities charged at least 173 people with crimes, including human trafficking and soliciting prostitution. Six people are charged with running the ring.
I'm now going to quote heavily from a series of articles written by Elizabeth Nolan Brown (1, 2, 3) in Reason.

So. People were arrested for trafficking. Right? It says so right in the Insider article.

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At a press conference (partially aired on CNN) today, Palm Beach District Attorney Dave Aronberg spent most of his time talking about the theoretical horrors that could occur in situations like this. "Modern day slavery," as Aronberg called it, "can happen anywhere, including in the peaceful community of Jupiter."

However, no human trafficking charges were filed among the hundreds of (current and coming) prostitution charges, he admitted, adding that first-time offenders (like Robert Kraft) are "very unlikely to get any significant" time behind bars.

"There's no allegation that any defendant engaged in human trafficking," said Aronberg.
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Police from Vero Beach said in a press release that one woman had been arrested for human trafficking, and Florida news outlets are still running with that story. But a simple check of county court records shows that this is not the case. Like her colleagues, the woman is charged with engaging in prostitution herself, "deriving support" from prostitution, and "racketeering," which sounds serious but just means working with others to accomplish something illegal.
It should be noted that the police have weeks of surveillance footage from hidden cameras at this establishment. If they're not bringing trafficking or abuse charges, it's because there isn't evidence of trafficking or abuse.

But the women are very grateful for having been rescued?

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Police keep calling the women that worked at Orchids of Asia and the other spas that were part of the sting "trafficking victims." But most have declined to cooperate with police as such.

Martin County Sheriff Snyder told CNN today that police were having trouble getting one woman in custody to "cooperate" in explaining why they would "go and allow themselves to be trafficked."

"They had the ability, they could've walked out into the street and asked for help," he continued, noting that they often worked long hours and cooked food on a hot-plate instead of leaving for meals. "But they didn't."

Instead of taking this as a sign that these women were willingly engaging in this work, police continue to seek ways to explain away this evidence. (And the CNN host asked why they wouldn't "speak their truth.") Snyder claims that one woman said she was afraid people might hurt her family if she cooperated.

This type of claim is made regularly by police in these sorts of investigations. That is convenient, considering they're the only ones allowed to talk to any of the alleged victims and it's an explanation no one can verify, unlike initial claims from law enforcement—now countered by Synder—that massage parlor workers weren't allowed to leave.
But they were working under horrific conditions. Right?

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Police have suggested that "victims" at these businesses were sexually serving 1,500 men per year. But according to arrest documents, their cameras caught an average of about one sexual customer per employee every three days.

Those that were arrested stand accused of engaging in between 3 and 16 paid sex acts apiece throughout the 40-day surveillance period.

Police originally relied on two details to spin the trafficking narrative in the press: Some of the women were living at the massage parlors, and they "weren't allowed to leave." But Martin County Sheriff William Snyder later admitted that the part about not being allowed to leave was false.

Included as evidence that they lived there was the presence of "food and condiments" in a kitchen fridge—pretty standard for workplace kitchens, no? In addition, one of the places had two extra rooms, in which police found beds made with sheets and pillows and dressers holding personal belongings. Police later told reporters these women were sleeping on "cots" and in "squalor," but that's not what their official report says.
So basically, everything the police have said to the media on the subject is self-serving lies, designed to evoke moral outrage from a public who doesn't really care about vanilla prostitution. Law enforcement telling fibs? I'm shocked.

Sex trafficking is unquestionably going on in the US, but what is the scale of the problem? To me this has the shape of a moral panic (like "Stranger Danger" back in the day, where allegedly huge numbers of kids were being abducted by strangers). It's because:

- Trafficking is, like terrorism, a way to combine disparate incidents into a whole that you can present to people as a huge, terrifying problem necessitating drastic action. Like terrorism, laws intended to stop this problem will inevitably be applied to situations they weren't meant for.

- Not many people want to die on the hill of pushing back against this issue, it makes you look like a callous monster.

- Everyone involved here - advocates, police and the media - have huge incentives to exaggerate the scale of the problem. Nobody has an incentive to downplay it.

Meanwhile, the women caught up in the sting are sitting in state jail, awaiting trial for prostitution. If the state's interest in this case is the welfare of these women, they have a funny way of showing it.
03-20-2019 , 12:19 AM
i agree. sex trafficking vs prostitution is a big problem in law enforcing in my opinion. LE wants to use the term trafficking as much as possible to drum up support and money and sometimes it just isnt. DA's want to use it to get re-elected

i had to prosecute a "pandering" case one time that simply wasn't pandering or trafficking. guy calls up a hooker(undercover cop) on backpage, meets her brags that he could be her new pimp and buy her fancy clothes. no money or sex was ever exchanged. dude had no history and sat in jail for 4 months on a 2k bail.. my superiors wanted double digit years.. i gave him 3yr probation on misdemeanor solicitation and like 6 months in with credit. he hasn't been in trouble again and no evidence (that i was told existed) was ever found that he was a human trafficker.. i got demoted.
03-20-2019 , 12:42 AM
Here's a former prosecutor on this case as well:

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Snyder — who is not involved in the Florida sex-trafficking case and is not representing Kraft — said, “A number of things jump out for me after reading the affidavit. When the police allege that vulnerable women are effectively being held as sex slaves, I would ask why the police didn’t move faster to get these women out of danger?

“Instead the police took several months doing surveillance and, despite already having numerous confessions from customers who were stopped in traffic leaving, plus evidence from inspectors inside the spa, they went to court to obtain the warrant for the video wiretap … The investigators seemed more concerned about obtaining highly embarrassing video footage to shame the customers, rather than acting faster to stop an illegal operation keeping vulnerable women in ‘sexual servitude.’
Seems like a pretty solid point, right? By the way, the women Kraft allegedly engaged the services of were 45 and 58 years old, Florida residents, and legally registered masseuses.

Kraft, along with other men in the case, has been offered a no-plea deal, but it's being reported that he is not going to take it. I've seen suggestions both that the hidden cameras were installed illegally, and they weren't recording sound, which means it's going to be difficult to prove that sex was exchanged for money. I'd say Kraft's lawyers will eat them alive if this case goes to trial, so it's going to be interesting to see how far the back-pedaling is going to go.
03-20-2019 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i agree. sex trafficking vs prostitution is a big problem in law enforcing in my opinion. LE wants to use the term trafficking as much as possible to drum up support and money and sometimes it just isnt. DA's want to use it to get re-elected

i had to prosecute a "pandering" case one time that simply wasn't pandering or trafficking. guy calls up a hooker(undercover cop) on backpage, meets her brags that he could be her new pimp and buy her fancy clothes. no money or sex was ever exchanged. dude had no history and sat in jail for 4 months on a 2k bail.. my superiors wanted double digit years.. i gave him 3yr probation on misdemeanor solicitation and like 6 months in with credit. he hasn't been in trouble again and no evidence (that i was told existed) was ever found that he was a human trafficker.. i got demoted.
Not that villain is an awesome dude or anything, but you are.
03-20-2019 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
MS senate passes a ban on all abortions after 6 weeks, effectively outlawing abortion in the state completely.

The first step towards our real life Handmaids Tale.
For men not in the know, this gives us ONE WEEK to get that abortion

That fifth week we're like **** **** **** is it coming, is it late? Finally you get the test.

One week.

**** MS
03-20-2019 , 01:05 AM
Btw am I allowed to post here? I'm like 99.999999% worried about sexist trolls and an overlapping 5% worried I'm just generally not allowed to post here I don't know why... Its hard to new forum.
03-20-2019 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Btw am I allowed to post here? I'm like 99.999999% worried about sexist trolls and an overlapping 5% worried I'm just generally not allowed to post here I don't know why... Its hard to new forum.
This forum is largely on your side
03-20-2019 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Btw am I allowed to post here? I'm like 99.999999% worried about sexist trolls and an overlapping 5% worried I'm just generally not allowed to post here I don't know why... Its hard to new forum.
Of course you're allowed to post here.
03-20-2019 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
MS senate passes a ban on all abortions after 6 weeks, effectively outlawing abortion in the state completely.

The first step towards our real life Handmaids Tale.
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
For men not in the know, this gives us ONE WEEK to get that abortion

That fifth week we're like **** **** **** is it coming, is it late? Finally you get the test.

One week.

**** MS
At first I thought you were both confusing Kentucky with Mississippi, but nope, Kentucky's was a few days ago, this one is new.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/16/u...rtion-law.html

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...or/3214702002/
03-20-2019 , 01:12 AM
It still feels a little like walking to my mailbox at night

s chuck
03-20-2019 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
At first I thought you were both confusing Kentucky with Mississippi, but nope, Kentucky's was a few days ago, this one is new.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/16/u...rtion-law.html

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...or/3214702002/
*place barbaric yawp here*

      
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