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Maddow's next big reveal should be a second look at Al Capone's vault to see if any of Trumps tax returns or piss stained bed sheets are in there.

By non-working do you mean unemployed adults? A UBI that doesn't cover them isn't a UBI--that's why we call such proposals negative income tax and not UBI. They're substantially equivalent, but I don't get why you're so keen to ensure that the unemployed don't get this benefit?

Pardon, I misunderstood. I do think there are quite few jobs that are basically b.s. in the real U.S. economy, though.

There's no such fallacy. You either literally don't understand what a UBI is or are willing to use the UBI branding for compromise proposals. I mean, Scott Santens makes me want to start smoking. The right to start a GoFundMe page isn't a UBI either.

Most people earn their income from employment.

The most realistic UBI scenario is basically where intelligent robots do all the work and are programmed to give us money. It's not that far off.

Agree, and I think it's a compelling (maybe inevitable) idea, I just don't think this African example is a great working model for what it would look like.

This scenario is already here. The issue is political opposition to proposals that would make the extreme surplus of wealth, currently sitting in the various accounts of the top 10%, who own ~75% of U.S. wealth, available to the masses.

This is why the actual most practical form of UBI is not about robots distributing money, but building robots to enslave the ultrarich and take their capital gains in perpetuity.

If you guys remember that scene from Game of Thrones where the wizard people chain up Khaleesi in order to sap her power for a thousand years, it will be like that, but the rich people won't have dragons so it will work.

I don't condone street violence and that's not what this is about.

But one of the things I am struck by is how fat drug addict millionaire gasbags like Limbaugh present themselves as emblematic of masculine virtue and liberals as effete freakshow elites who stand opposed to everyman values.

So I couldn't help but notice this story about Michael Savage getting into a fight at a restaurant actually buries the lede:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacked.html

So remember everyone. Decadent liberal gliterrati are the degenerate elites who stand opposed to normal Americans with their emasculated cultural tics.

Meanwhile voice of Real America Michael Savage takes his toy poodle out to dinner with him for company.

Okay, but whoever shoved the poodle needs to be indefinitely incarcerated.

We had an ACist in this forum, I think Nich, say that the CRA was unnecessary government overreach because segregated restaurants are extremely rare.

If RBG dies or retires while Trump is President her decision to not leave in 2013 or so will be a stain on her legacy that overcomes everything else she's ever done

I'm with you, people who are mean to dogs are the worst. I dunno what happened in this fight, wasn't really that interested in it.

I just wanted to point out the many of these right-wing entertainment icons are largely strange freakshows like Savage, Breitbart, Drudge and Limbaugh who have all the same drug habits and penchant for socializing with their dogs in public like all the bad celebrities and coastal elites. When Paris Hilton totes her dog around in her purse, Real Americans scoff at the haughtiness of it. These dudes behave like they watch NASCAR and shotgun beers on the weekend when really they're in Silicon Valley taking their poodles out for dinner dates.

One of the corollaries to those arguments are always that OK, if you insist, perhaps segregation was a problem, maybe unsafe mines were a thing, perhaps workplace deaths were common, maybe fires were a ubiquitous underlying terror for people before fire escapes were mandated by law. We guess that's true, we think.

But what really makes the modern world great is how the free market has made segregation unpalatable, mines safer, manufacturing plants less death trapy, and apartment buildings less deadly. Just astounding the market solved all these problems because if it hadn't, they would still be problems.

Perhaps the robots are programmed improperly?

Yes, but NIT proposals generally don't require you to have any income to get a payment.

You just set up the plot of my heartwarming animated movie:

Setup: In the future every person is given a robot at age 10 or something. It's the kid's job to program and train the robot to eventually go out in the world and work. The kid then reaps the robot's earnings.

Plot: Our hero kid gets a dud robot that just can't do anything right. Many hilarious disasters and epic messes ensue as the kid tries to get the thing into work-shape.

Twist: Turns out the hapless robot has some kind of special ability that ends up saving the world.

In the dystopian version the capitalist class has a lock on the IP rights required for functional robots, which they will only license for fees so high that the 99% are trapped in perpetual serfdom. Our hapless robot's special ability is an open source version of the code that if injected into the mainframe will free all of society from their oppressor overlords. Robot and boy embark on a hair raising action adventure journey across a wasted and impoverished landscape to reach Mainframe City with hundreds of capitalist ProtectoBots in hot pursuit. Directed by Neill Blomkamp.

I think the dystopian version is WALL-E.

Ah, okay. I misunderstood.

I thought about this a lot in the days leading up to November 8.

This is the problem with defining "the market" in the Borodoggish way of "the nexus of all voluntary transactions," the corollary being the Phone Booth-ian argument that, in that case, the existing state is a market outcome.

Since Democratic presidents apparently don't get to pick SCOTUS justices anymore, it hardly matters which administration RBG retires in.

FYP

So Savage eats with his poodle at nuevo Italian place in Tiburon? Map for those who don't know where Tiberon is. Being a conservative talk show host hanging out in Tiberon is like being a Mexican flying a rainbow flag and wearing chaps in a conservative part of Alabama.

He wanted to go to a place aside from his house where nobody listens to his show.

Doesn't CA have like, health regulations? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a toy poodle isn't a service animal.

I didn't highlight it but that Daily Mail article had pictures of Savage in a scarf and a fedora and taking pictures with Trump and his poodle and sipping martinis or something. Dude looks like a cross between a eurotrash hipster and someone trying to cosplay an attendee at a Great Gatsby theme party. He even puts bows in the poodles hair. I mean like so much of the modern right these guys aren't even trying, not even bothering to maintain even the slightest bit of kayfabe when they get off the air.

True story -- I know you guys like wrestling anecdotes. Ted DiBiase used to play the rich millionaire character trope.

Here's how committed people that are actors, engaged in scripted pretend wrestling mostly marketed to pliable, gullible children are to their make-believe characters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Di...ion_Dollar_Man

Contrast that earnestness to the craft with Michael Savage, who laments the emasculation of America for his day job he and the audience apparently takes it very, very seriously, and then he proudly takes his toy poodle out to dinner when he's done.

I feel like cooking steak tonight, and I know there's a mega thread in oot, but I have no idea whose posts to respect. Can someone clue me in on whom to pay attention to?