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man flips cops the bird, then sues them man flips cops the bird, then sues them

03-08-2010 , 02:28 PM
The term entrapment and the definition of course doesn't fit. I never said it did, I said its similar to if the roles were reversed. I don't think theres even a term for what the guy did. Maybe there is some quacky legal mumbo jumbo term for it.


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03-08-2010 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Dude, if you are going to be a prick to a cop, you have to expect that they won't cut you slack. Until robots have taken over the earth, it will be this way.
Until robots take over the earth, women will get raped and people will get stabbed in bar fights, and there will be cyclic economic depressions because of animal spirits. They're still bad things.

I personally would never mouth off to a cop or do anything similar because they have a lot of power and could cause me lots of problems. It doesn't mean I have to support them if they do something similar to someone less wise than I.
03-08-2010 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Dude, if you are going to be a prick to a cop, you have to expect that they won't cut you slack. Until robots have taken over the earth, it will be this way.
If I live past 50 I have to expect a decent chance I get cancer. Nonetheless, if I do, EVEN THOUGH I HAD TO EXPECT IT, I'm still gonna go ahead and try to get it removed, because cancer is bad.

Argue that he is JUSTIFIED, not just that his response is EXPECTED, and then we can have something to talk about.
03-08-2010 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Dude, if you are going to be a prick to a cop, you have to expect that they won't cut you slack. Until robots have taken over the earth, it will be this way.
But that doesn't mean the cop isn't a prick for retaliating. The fact is as enforcers of the law, the police should be held to a higher standard than john doe because they should know better.

Also Bobman was refering to the exercise of civil rights, which has nothing to do with being a prick.
03-08-2010 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
If I live past 50 I have to expect a decent chance I get cancer. Nonetheless, if I do, EVEN THOUGH I HAD TO EXPECT IT, I'm still gonna go ahead and try to get it removed, because cancer is bad.

Argue that he is JUSTIFIED, not just that his response is EXPECTED, and then we can have something to talk about.
cancer would be justified in getting all up in you because old people are a drain on society. *****, geezer.
03-08-2010 , 03:58 PM
wtf, "die in a grease fire" is cuss-busted?
03-08-2010 , 04:35 PM
I really don't think this guy is out to make a quick buck. He seems more a believer in his cause. If you were out looking to do a frivolous law suit, a police station has to be pretty low on potential targets.
03-08-2010 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
cops are people too.

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03-08-2010 , 05:09 PM
I can't stand people like this dude and his I can do this because I can argument...****k me where is common sense in the world! This moron needs to be curb stomped just for being an idiot.
03-08-2010 , 11:48 PM
Interesting views here. I've recently discovered the Politics forum and have learned some things. So, I offer this thread to this forum. I quit answering the original because someone wanted me to do their homework. Mods, this thread was originally posted in the Lounge. If you could move it to Politics, it would help. TIA.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/63...et-cop-186485/

Oh, and Donkey, good job using 300 words to explain what I said in 20.

Last edited by Spidar; 03-08-2010 at 11:54 PM.
03-09-2010 , 12:11 AM
You guys are right. People should really be able to give the finger to anyone and everyone (especially the local police force ON A DAILY BASIS) and be able to legitimately cry foul when that person retaliates because THEY ARE IN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO! The police, your boss, your wife, some random guy on the subway, some drunk in a bar... Screw them, I AM AN ANARCHIST GODAMMIT!!! Say it loud. Say it proud! It's not creating a nuisance or disturbing the peace at all, as long as you don't physically harm someone. Let them throw the first punch AMIRITE?!

Groundbreaking stuff here. Real revolutionary.

We should not be expected to maintain some basic level of respect if we aren't PHYSICALLY INITIATING FORCE ZOMG!! I'm gonna go stand outside my local police station screaming DIE PIGS DIE!!! at the top of my lungs.
03-09-2010 , 12:17 AM
suspend those f... er... without pay. emphasis on the without pay.
03-09-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by helium tedium
You guys are right. People should really be able to give the finger to anyone and everyone (especially the local police force ON A DAILY BASIS) and be able to legitimately cry foul when that person retaliates because THEY ARE IN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO! The police, your boss, your wife, some random guy on the subway, some drunk in a bar... Screw them, I AM AN ANARCHIST GODAMMIT!!! Say it loud. Say it proud! It's not creating a nuisance or disturbing the peace at all, as long as you don't physically harm someone. Let them throw the first punch AMIRITE?!

Groundbreaking stuff here. Real revolutionary.

We should not be expected to maintain some basic level of respect if we aren't PHYSICALLY INITIATING FORCE ZOMG!! I'm gonna go stand outside my local police station screaming DIE PIGS DIE!!! at the top of my lungs.

You forget the audience that is the majority of 2p2.
03-09-2010 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by helium tedium
You guys are right. People should really be able to give the finger to anyone and everyone (especially the local police force ON A DAILY BASIS) and be able to legitimately cry foul when that person retaliates because THEY ARE IN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO! The police, your boss, your wife, some random guy on the subway, some drunk in a bar... Screw them, I AM AN ANARCHIST GODAMMIT!!! Say it loud. Say it proud! It's not creating a nuisance or disturbing the peace at all, as long as you don't physically harm someone. Let them throw the first punch AMIRITE?!

Groundbreaking stuff here. Real revolutionary.

We should not be expected to maintain some basic level of respect if we aren't PHYSICALLY INITIATING FORCE ZOMG!! I'm gonna go stand outside my local police station screaming DIE PIGS DIE!!! at the top of my lungs.
No no no, YOU are right. Cops should basically just arrest whoever they dont like.
03-09-2010 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by helium tedium
You guys are right. People should really be able to give the finger to anyone and everyone (especially the local police force ON A DAILY BASIS) and be able to legitimately cry foul when that person retaliates because THEY ARE IN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO! The police, your boss, your wife, some random guy on the subway, some drunk in a bar... Screw them, I AM AN ANARCHIST GODAMMIT!!! Say it loud. Say it proud! It's not creating a nuisance or disturbing the peace at all, as long as you don't physically harm someone. Let them throw the first punch AMIRITE?!

Groundbreaking stuff here. Real revolutionary.

We should not be expected to maintain some basic level of respect if we aren't PHYSICALLY INITIATING FORCE ZOMG!! I'm gonna go stand outside my local police station screaming DIE PIGS DIE!!! at the top of my lungs.
You're bad at satire. Do you think that flipping someone off is disturbing the peace or creating the nuisance? Or that you can justifiably hit someone if all they do is flip you off? You sound like the big threat to the peace, imo.

FWIW, I'm not an anarchist either.
03-09-2010 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
There already is a word for that: Insulting someone. You don't need to call it entrapment. And a cop can call someone a name and it would be a tough sell to call it entrapment. They might be in trouble for other reasons, but so would a Wendy's clerk who insulted someone. Because they insulted someone. Not entrapped. So, the point that it's entrapment if the other way around is, well, basically wrong. I'd call you dumb now, but fear entrapping you to commit a crime. Haha, okay, just kidding.
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Originally Posted by Taso
its very nitty and tangential to the point
i was a little early.
03-09-2010 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
No no no, YOU are right. Cops should basically just arrest whoever they dont like.
I thought he was only issued tickets. Has it even been disclosed for what exactly? If it was in fact bogus, and not something legitimate but they would normally overlook, or he was actually arrested, then of course they have no case.

Either way this guy is a typical anarchist attention whore.
03-09-2010 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Do you think that flipping someone off is disturbing the peace or creating the nuisance?
Yes. What, you don't?

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Or that you can justifiably hit someone if all they do is flip you off?
Did I say that?

Whether you're in the right or not, you'd have to be a complete idiot not to expect it sooner or later if you wave your finger in enough faces. The sad thing is he really believes he actually accomplished something from all the attention he's likely getting from like-minded morons.

Last edited by helium tedium; 03-09-2010 at 01:14 AM.
03-09-2010 , 01:49 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_369982.html

Surprised nobody pointed this out. Just a few months before the same damn thing happened - sorta.

Except, the idiot of topic in this situation was doing it intentionally.
03-09-2010 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Spidar
Wrong. Narcotics cops routinely attempt to sell crack to potential buyers. When they buy, they're busted. Not entrapment. But if you approach a guy in the middle of an ugly divorce and offer to kill his wife for $50.00 you're enticing and that could be construed as entrapment.
^^^ Look at that AIDS piece of advice^^^

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Originally Posted by Spidar
Oh, and Donkey, good job using 300 words to explain what I said in 20.
You didn't explain it very well and got it wrong in fact. I was not going to draw specific attention to that fact untill you decided that acting like a douche was very important to you.

If you offer to kill the dudes wife for $50 and he interprets your statement as being sincere then accepting your offer will probably mean hes guilty of murder (if you go through with it) or conspiracy (if you don't). I also think the chances that Entrapment would cover murder are pretty slim. I told you loud and clear Entrapment != incentive.

Oh, and Spidar, good attempt at putting me down. Maybe in future though we should just ignore each other as it's clear you're going to try and argue with me.
03-09-2010 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Dude, if you are going to be a prick to a cop, you have to expect that they won't cut you slack. Until robots have taken over the earth, it will be this way.
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
If I live past 50 I have to expect a decent chance I get cancer. Nonetheless, if I do, EVEN THOUGH I HAD TO EXPECT IT, I'm still gonna go ahead and try to get it removed, because cancer is bad.

Argue that he is JUSTIFIED, not just that his response is EXPECTED, and then we can have something to talk about.
He said "won't cut you slack" which implies justification. He's not talking about blatant rights infringement. (I know you obviously have a differing definition of rights than most, but I'm referring to actual legal rights in this case) Police overlook tons of stuff that they would be well within the law to take action against.

Turns out the guy was cited for illegal lane change and improper display of license. lulz. Good luck buddy.
03-09-2010 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by helium tedium
He said "won't cut you slack" which implies justification. He's not talking about blatant rights infringement. (I know you obviously have a differing definition of rights than most, but I'm referring to actual legal rights in this case) Police overlook tons of stuff that they would be well within the law to take action against.

Turns out the guy was cited for illegal lane change and improper display of license. lulz. Good luck buddy.
Wow, with those charges it's probably 98% certain that the cop was just harassing this guy.
03-09-2010 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Wow, with those charges it's probably 98% certain that the cop was just harassing this guy.
Uh, he harassed the cop well within his own rights, and the cop "harassed" him back well within his. What's the issue here?

Some of you seem to think that you should just be able to walk into a courtroom and use "Yes your honor, I was clearly in violation of the law, but I was only targeted because Officer Poopy Pants doesn't like me" as a valid defense. Can you see why that wouldn't work, and why this moronic campaign of his is useless?
03-09-2010 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by helium tedium
the cop "harassed" him back well within his.

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What's the issue here?
the above statement imo.
03-09-2010 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr
the above statement imo.
Sorry, still don't see it. Care to elaborate?

Yes we all get that giving the finger is legal, but that doesn't change the fact that shoving it in someone's face unprovoked will invoke feelings of hostility nearly 100% of the time. Hooray, he’s uncovered a technical loophole that youtube commenters can really get behind!

How would you like it if someone came in to your place of work everyday to give you the finger? Would you not also use any means within your legal rights to retaliate? Gimme a break. That’s even ignoring the fact that many people would just instapop him in the mouth. (I'm not saying doing so would be within their rights of course)

      
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