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11-10-2012 , 05:18 PM


ron paul is also the most well known member, and co-founder of the mises institute. the mises institute is an anarchist think tank.
11-10-2012 , 05:26 PM
fezjones,

When Peyton Manning says he loves papa johns ****ty pizza or whatever the **** do you take him literally or do you think he may have an ulterior motive?
11-10-2012 , 05:36 PM
he has an ulterior motive
11-10-2012 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Charter schools may be a lot more prevalent than you think. From what I've heard in LA pretty much anyone who wants to get in one eventually does. They may not get their first choice, but they can at least get out of the horrible regular district.
Are you talking about LA the city or state? I live in New Orleans and the regular district has been replaced by charter schools.
11-10-2012 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fezjones
he has an ulterior motive
and you don't think Ron Paul may be in a similar situation?
11-10-2012 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Country Roads
you can't be an anarchist and a politician at the same time. that's like saying you're on a diet but eating at mcdonalds every day.
I eat at McDonald's about 5 times a week and have lost 57 pounds since June 25.
11-10-2012 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fezjones
rothbard and lew rockwell are anarchists
so?
11-10-2012 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
I eat at McDonald's about 5 times a week and have lost 57 pounds since June 25.
that's not every day now, is it?
11-10-2012 , 06:41 PM
Has Ron Paul ever authored a bill that would be identifiable as "anarchist" in nature?

He has authored several bills that would strengthen state government to stop the fascist feds from forcing them to give equal rights to the minorities, but I dont really think we can count that.
11-10-2012 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Country Roads
that's not every day now, is it?
Well the days I don't go there are the days I overeat, so that isn't a good analogy
11-10-2012 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Has Ron Paul ever authored a bill that would be identifiable as "anarchist" in nature?

He has authored several bills that would strengthen state government to stop the fascist feds from forcing them to give equal rights to the minorities, but I dont really think we can count that.
I am unaware of anything that would qualify him as an anarchist.
11-10-2012 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
I eat at McDonald's about 5 times a week and have lost 57 pounds since June 25.
This is alarming on multiple levels.
11-10-2012 , 08:39 PM
Unless RR works at McDonalds and gets free food or is homeless and eats out of their dumpster he really should vary his diet as he is really missing out. What is wrong with getting a cold sandwich, or a hot sub, or a pasty, or a pasta salad or any other bazillion options when, I assume, you are getting food at lunch when working.

I mean at the very least go to a KFC or taco bell once in a while.
11-10-2012 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Unless RR works at McDonalds and gets free food or is homeless and eats out of their dumpster he really should vary his diet as he is really missing out. What is wrong with getting a cold sandwich, or a hot sub, or a pasty, or a pasta salad or any other bazillion options when, I assume, you are getting food at lunch when working.

I mean at the very least go to a KFC or taco bell once in a while.
You assume wrong. I stop for a yogurt or oatmeal and a large soda on my commute since I drive over an hour and not a lot of things are open in rural areas around 3am.
11-10-2012 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
Are you talking about LA the city or state? I live in New Orleans and the regular district has been replaced by charter schools.
How's it going?
11-10-2012 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
How's it going?
I am on my phone so I can't cite, but test scores are up. Schools that are under performing lose their charters
11-11-2012 , 01:23 AM
Yeah I'm no fan of urban school districts. Although I was in Houston public schools in 6th grade and it was pretty good, which goes with their supposed ranking at the time as a good school district - probably because of so much new money. But I know Kansas City was a basket case, and so is LA.
11-11-2012 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Has Ron Paul ever authored a bill that would be identifiable as "anarchist" in nature?

He has authored several bills that would strengthen state government to stop the fascist feds from forcing them to give equal rights to the minorities, but I dont really think we can count that.


Not a bill, but still more or less revealing.
11-11-2012 , 03:20 AM
That is the worst video ever. WTF, if you are going to just write a bunch of words do it on a webpage somewhere.

I skimmed it best I could without clawing out my eardrums. I think citing what Ron Paul has published previously to define his character is an interesting move given that when people have done that previously RP defenders insisted we look at his voting record and the bills he has authored.
11-11-2012 , 06:22 AM
Libertarians should abandon the libertarian party. The right should shorten their platform to about 3 sentences to allow everyone to enter.

1. support the individual over the collective
2. support real money and balanced budgets
3. support smaller government over higher taxes

They should end all the welfare programs SNAP, FHA, ... and give everyone a $2000 annual adjustment check. You are going to have to fight the 47% with 48%.
11-11-2012 , 06:42 AM
Libertarians should abandon the state.

Ron Paul is a politician with a very low time-preference.
11-11-2012 , 07:58 AM
Libertarians should abandon the right/left and find common cause with the left/right? What a promising and completely novel idea that has not been tried multiple times over the last 40+ years.
11-11-2012 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
That is the worst video ever. WTF, if you are going to just write a bunch of words do it on a webpage somewhere.

I skimmed it best I could without clawing out my eardrums. I think citing what Ron Paul has published previously to define his character is an interesting move given that when people have done that previously RP defenders insisted we look at his voting record and the bills he has authored.
Dude, you're more brainwashed than a religious fundamentalist. Only your god is called "The State" and you're completely unable to think critically about anything that 'blasphemes' against your God. This was a perfectly calm and short video which wouldn't disturb any normal person, even if they completely disagreed with the content. But your reaction resembles the reaction of a Muslim bigot who can't stand watching even 30 seconds of, say, a video which is critical of Islam. No, the "WTF" part is directed at you.

You say you've skimmed through the video but I guess that means your probably jumped 30 seconds for every 2 seconds you attended to or something. If you watch it carefully, you'd know it didn't just have quotes from what he's published in the past but also some quite unambiguous recent interviews/talks in which he explains his positions very clearly. In the end of the video him being a voluntarist is put forward quite straightforwardly too. And in the middle of the video there is a bit which would explain why some of his voting record might not be very "anarchistic", but his actual philosophy is.
11-11-2012 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
Libertarians should abandon the right/left and find common cause with the left/right? What a promising and completely novel idea that has not been tried multiple times over the last 40+ years.
TBH, I'm not really familiar with what has been tried in the last 40+ years in regards to that, but I have to admit I find the Right quite more repulsive than the Left (at least the Right we have today). At least people on the Left are consistent on those values which are shared by libertarians (anti-WOD, pro-gay rights, etc.), whereas the Republican party is a party of crony capitalists who don't really hold the economic values which are supposed to overlap with libertarians' values (I'm talking about their history of bailing out failed banks, giving away oil subsidies, etc.)
11-11-2012 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by la6ki
Dude, you're more brainwashed than a religious fundamentalist. Only your god is called "The State" and you're completely unable to think critically about anything that 'blasphemes' ...WHARRGARRBL!
Ya, 3 things you guys need to abandon:

1. Drop the histrionics.

2. Stop making up words "voluntaryist", "statist", etc.

3. And this one is really important: No one will ever, ever take yootube videos seriously.

      
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