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06-22-2012 , 02:02 PM

#1501

DblBarrelJ

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Originally Posted by pvn

PETA

There we are, now we're on the same page.

Good talk.

06-23-2012 , 02:15 AM

#1502

galmost

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Police thug harass man for open carry, man handles encounter well imo.

06-23-2012 , 03:50 AM

#1503

coffee_monster

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I like it when he says in the captions that he has to do something (give his name and DOB) and then refuses to give his name....hmm.....

Well, he got 'detained' for three minutes, but on the other hand he got to be a douchebag for three minutes. Eh, it all balances out.

06-23-2012 , 06:59 AM

#1504

LirvA

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

I call horse****.

Taking a dog from inside someone's fence because you don't like the way it's being cared for isn't legal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

cool story bro, did you actually read the article?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

No.

lol

06-23-2012 , 02:55 PM

#1505

DblBarrelJ

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That was NOT an over the top OC call.

Yea yea, I know, it's annoying, but I give the cop at least a B- for that interaction.

06-23-2012 , 03:56 PM

#1506

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

That was NOT an over the top OC call.

Yea yea, I know, it's annoying, but I give the cop at least a B- for that interaction.

I do have a question about open carry (I will concede that most people that are doing it are looking for attention of some sort). In the video we just saw, the cop took his gun from him. Is there any legal justification for that?

06-23-2012 , 04:27 PM

#1507

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He's gonna claim Officer Safety.

If the guy REALLY wants to fight it he's got a case (in court, under a 1983 case) but unless the Dept is run by a hardcore gun rights libertarian, you're not getting very far with Professional Standards complaining about it, unfortunately.

I do my part, I harass.. errr educate Atlanta Police on every available opportunity about open carry.

Everything the OCer said is absolutely correct.

A gun doesn't equal probable cause you're about to do ****, and it is not, in and of itself, evidence of ANY crime. That was a great textbook response to the "Felon" line too.

06-23-2012 , 10:06 PM

#1508

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

This is what I thought.

What is Officer Safety? I mean I know what the words mean, but can it be eliminated and let the police rely on thinks like probable cause to stop people?

06-23-2012 , 10:48 PM

#1509

DblBarrelJ

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Well, that's the heart of the issue.

Once the police have you stopped, then a myriad of factors come into play regarding the safety of the officer and suspect with regard to Terry searches, temporarily seizing weapons, applying restraints etc.

The issue is, according to SCOTUS precedent, that encounter should go this simply:

Cop: Sir, can I talk to you?
Guy: Nope, kind of busy, am I being detained?
Cop: No Sir.
Guy: Have a nice day.

Further, unless they're just intentionally freaking people out, just drive by, if he doesn't look suspicious or crazy, and the gun's holstered, just call it in as 10-4 and move on.

06-26-2012 , 09:19 AM

#1510

Huehuecoyotl

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The militarization of police forces, coming to a small town near you.

http://wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/cops-military-gear/

06-26-2012 , 09:37 AM

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Small-Town Cops Pile Up on Useless Military Gear

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The local Cobb County Police Department responded quickly

06-26-2012 , 09:48 AM

#1512

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Lol Euro cops responding by twitter

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18582171

06-26-2012 , 09:57 AM

#1513

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"We support any police investigation in identifying who is behind this"

06-27-2012 , 07:05 AM

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Police thugs bash man because he concealed carried with a permit.

http://bazaardaily.com/2012/06/22/be...apolis-police/

06-27-2012 , 09:54 AM

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http://www.officer.com/news/10733771...g-two-officers

cliffs: man charged with assaulting officers

weapon used: his face

area of the officers' body assaulted: hands

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Guevara suffered a facial contusion, police said. One officer suffered contusions, lacerations and a sprained finger. The other officer suffered several fractures to his hand.

06-27-2012 , 10:06 AM

#1516

joeyDizzle

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Originally Posted by pvn

http://www.officer.com/news/10733771...g-two-officers

cliffs: man charged with assaulting officers

weapon used: his face

area of the officers' body assaulted: hands

which one of you poasted this in the comments?

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Preach it, Alejandro. Getting blood on their batons, wearing out the batteries on their tasers, stealing bullets from their guns, chewing off the ends of curbs. There's no end to what these ne'er-do-wells will do to New York's finest.

06-27-2012 , 12:05 PM

#1517

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http://www.newsherald.com/news/heath...icer-city.html

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Heath wasn't fired because of the alleged assault but because he allegedly violated a written order that stated he should refrain from contacting the officer, who left the department because of the incident, and refrain from talking about her while he was on duty.

He violated the order 147 times, officials said.

Good thing he got his job back.

06-27-2012 , 12:42 PM

#1518

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Originally Posted by coffee_monster

I like it when he says in the captions that he has to do something (give his name and DOB) and then refuses to give his name....hmm.....

The caption says he has to give his name and DOB IF he is being summonsed or arrested. He wasn't.

06-30-2012 , 11:17 AM

#1519

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http://www2.tbo.com/news/2012/jun/29.../tbo.ly/LKLXdF

06-30-2012 , 11:39 AM

#1520

Bremen

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Being related to too many librarians, I am horrified.

Seriously, why the heck are overdue library books a criminal matter? Should be civil.

also lol twilight

06-30-2012 , 12:19 PM

#1521

DblBarrelJ

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You guys are doing it wrong.

Woman Arrested For Holding 'Speed Trap' Sign

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Originally Posted by ABC News

A Houston woman's attempt to save drivers from a speeding ticket landed her something worse: 12 hours in jail.

As she rode her bicycle home from a grocery store last week near downtown Houston, Natalie Plummer noticed police officers pulling over speeders. After she parked her bike and turned one of her grocery bags into a makeshift sign warning drivers about the "speed trap" ahead, an officer drove up and arrested her.

There. That should agitate the Politard masses into.. poasting I guess?

06-30-2012 , 12:26 PM

#1522

Case Closed

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Originally Posted by pvn

http://www2.tbo.com/news/2012/jun/29.../tbo.ly/LKLXdF

06-30-2012 , 12:29 PM

#1523

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by pvn

http://www2.tbo.com/news/2012/jun/29.../tbo.ly/LKLXdF

Got what she deserved iyam

06-30-2012 , 01:26 PM

#1524

vaya

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

You guys are doing it wrong.

Woman Arrested For Holding 'Speed Trap' Sign

There. That should agitate the Politard masses into.. poasting I guess?

You'd think the police would want people making "speed trap ahead" signs. That way you get people to slow down and you don't even have to post an officer there. I guess they lose out on that sweet ticket revenue though.

07-01-2012 , 05:11 PM

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Texas Man arrested for DUI while on the side of the road on phone: Appeal Upheld.

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just before 1:00 a.m. on August 27th, 2007, while sitting at a red light, he observed Gonzales's vehicle pull off of the road and come to a stop on the shoulder just a short distance ahead. The area where Gonzales stopped was on the way out of town towards the neighboring town, with only a few businesses in the area, no houses nearby, and only light traffic passing by at that time of night. Believing the driver needed assistance, Officer Becker activated both his front-facing and rear-facing overhead red and blue lights to notify Gonzales that it was the police and not "some bad guy" who had pulled in behind him. As Officer Becker pulled onto the shoulder behind the vehicle, Gonzales began to drive away, but quickly stopped. Officer Becker stated that his sole reason for pulling in behind Gonzales was "to check on them, see if they had a flat tire, if everything was okay, if maybe they were lost" and "to see if he was . . . having trouble, if he needed assistance . . . ."

Officer Becker contacted Gonzales and asked him if everything was okay. While speaking with Gonzales he noticed a strong odor of alcohol coming from the vehicle and that Gonzales's eyes were bloodshot and his speech was slurred. Officer Becker then began a driving-while-intoxicated investigation resulting in Gonzales's arrest for that offense.

The trial judge denied Gonzales's motion to suppress and concluded that, while Officer Becker "did not have a reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe that an offense had been committed," he "was concerned that the operator of the vehicle might need assistance" and that this belief was reasonable. The trial court entered findings of fact and conclusions of law supported by the record. Gonzales subsequently pleaded guilty to driving while intoxicated and was sentenced and placed on community supervision for five years.

On appeal, Gonzales asserted that he was seized when Officer Becker activated his emergency lights and that his seizure was not a reasonable exercise of Officer Becker's community-caretaking function. The court of appeals held that the use of Officer Becker's emergency lights constituted a seizure, but that the seizure was permissible under the community-caretaking exception. (1) The latter holding is the subject of Gonzales's petition for discretionary review

Discuss.

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