I'm not implying anything. I am stating that people who OC in accordance with the laws of their State have a Constitutional right to do so. They should not have their rights infringed to protect the sensibilities of those who are prone to "freak out" over another's peaceful conduct.

911 exists to report crimes and emergencies. If people are in the habit of calling 911 to report non-criminal, non-emergency conduct, they are abusing the 911 system and need to be educated as to what constitutes an emergency.

LE would never tolerate someone calling 911 because they are "freaked out" that McDonald's gave them cold fries. So too when someone calls to report "a man with a gun", they should educate the caller that mere possession of a firearm is not unlawful, and that unless they brandished the firearm or threatened somebody with it, there is no need to call.

If you still want to go check the call out, fine. But don't think you now have the right to treat the guy like a "suspect" simply because someone else is "uncomfortable" with his lawful conduct.
Sorry, I'm not going to agree that Americans should surrender there fundamental rights to protect the tender sensibilities of some delicate teacups. They need to get over it. The douches are the ones who think law abiding citizens should be handcuffed, detained, interrogated and worse for the lawful exercise of their right to bear arms.
This ridiculous semantic quibble does not even deserve a response.

Yea, I know...


Etc.

Hopefully I hit all points on that and we can carry on.

You missed the


"ok officer, now can I see YOUR ID? I know the neighbors get worried when they see people walking around with guns."

Aptronym, replace "openly carrying a firearm" with "furtively wandering the streets with a slim jim at 3:00 AM".

Does it make sense now?

No I didn't

This is a pretty interesting post, I took two things from it:
1) Your lt seems pretty psychologically threatened by the presence of these OCers. Not that they threaten him physically, but they take away the fact that your class is the only class allowed to carry freaking guns around openly.

2) Seems like he is the one trying to start a confrontation, or perhaps he's just trying to verbally bully these people into giving up their rights since he knows legally he can do absolutely nothing.

3)He seems bat**** insane. Really, harassing people from your PA system on your car? Is that something that a sane person would do?

A few years back Grits posed the question, "Is babysitting while white reasonable suspicion for police questioning?" after my granddaughter and I were detained and questioned at length in my neighborhood on suspicion of some nefarious deed (it was never quite clear what). In that incident, the police were pretty clear I was stopped solely because Ty, like her mother (who came to live with my wife and me when she was a child) is black, while I'm an almost stereotypical looking white Texas redneck. At the time, Grits was amazed that three squad cars were dispatched to question me for walking down the street with a child of a different race, detaining me for no good reason and scaring the bejeezus out of then-two-year old Ty.

Last night, though, Ty and I got the full jump-out-boys treatment, making our earlier interaction with Austin PD seem downright quaint. It could only have been more ridiculous if they'd actually arrested me, which for a while there didn't seem out of the question. (This is a personal tale much more than a policy analysis, so if you're only interested in the latter, don't bother to read further.) ><snip><

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.co...hite-part.html

Depressed Army reservist attacked by police force after calling for help

The military spends tens of thousands of man hours annually and no small amounts of money training its personnel to seek help for any feelings of hopelessness or depression they may experience. The Army, especially, focuses on this issue because the suicide rate among its members has hit new highs in the wake of a decade of war in two separate theaters involving multiple deployments for millions of soldiers. That concern has also spilled over into the Guard and Reserve as well, since the Army has had to tap both of those branches in order to meet its personnel obligations for Iraq and Afghanistan.

With that in mind, when one D.C.- area Army reservist reached out for help recently, he was instead surrounded by dozens of police officers who searched and allegedly vandalized his home - all without a warrant, according to his lawsuit.

A Vet With a Gun!

Matthew Corrigan, who lives alone with his dog, says in his suit that he called what he thought was a military emotional support hotline in February 2010, but which actually turned out to be the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, after feeling unusually depressed for several days.

"When he stated that he was a veteran, he was asked if he had firearms, to which he said yes. He said nothing about being suicidal or using a firearm or threatening anyone. After a short conversation, Corrigan hung up, turned off the phone, took prescribed sleeping medication, and went to bed," says the complaint.

About 4 a.m. the next morning, Corrigan awoke to a sea of police officers who had surrounded his home and were calling his name on a bullhorn. "There were floodlights outside his front and back doors and an estimated 8 police officers in the back yard and 20 in the front yard," says the complaint.

Corrigan says he then "turned on his phone and discovered that Officer Fischer of the 5th District was calling him, asking him to come out," says the complaint. He complied around 4:50 a.m., locking the door behind him, and was immediately handcuffed and placed in the back of a S.W.A.T. vehicle.

No Time for the Constitution

A police lieutenant then asked Corrigan for keys to his place, to which the Army reservist replied, "There is no way I am giving you consent to enter my place." The complaint then states that the officer, identified as one Lt. Robert Glover, allegedly replied, "I don't have time to play this constitutional bull****!" and ordered several other officers who belonged to the department's Emergency Response Team enter Corrigan's home. ><snip><

http://www.naturalnews.com/034935_Ar...#ixzz1mEwzCca2

If done correctly, who's rights are infringed? We're all in agreement what happened to will was wrong, so the only possible point you could be making is that peoples rights are infringed by other people TALKING TO THEM!!! ZOMG THE HORROR!!!!

This is crap and you should research it. Something like 86-90% of calls to 911 depending on jurisdiction are non emergency. People call 911 because they're locked in/out of their cars, they're being held hostage by the police, they're lost, they thought the cop they saw at some intersection earlier that day was cute and would like him to come **** her etc.




This has already been agreed to and no one but you is talking about handcuffing detaining and interrogating at this point. Do you believe, your majesty, that a meager peasant cop has the ability to speak to you?

It's not a semantic argument, it's a fact. You wanna act like a douche, so will I, wanna behave like a gentleman, I can do that too. I follow your lead. The job is to enforce laws when needed, through arrests and citations. My glowing disposition is just a happy side effect, but it's certainly not enforcement. If you don't like my attitude leave. JFC That's usually the whole reason I'm there anyway, is to check you out to make sure no ones in danger, and then usually move you along.

I'm going to read all of that and respond when I am less drunk. If I remember.

APD certainly has a few black marks, but overall they run a pretty damn good police department. It's not like the cowboy BS Williamson County.

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as long as its covered right?

1) I'm not psychologically threatened by OCers, I'm emotionally frustrated by morons. If you read the thread you would see in a happy little back and forth with Neb that I don't OC, and furthermore I'm unsure as to what "class" you refer.

2) These are all well known OCers/agitators. As I've said in 1, read the thread, discover the facts, enjoy. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Eventually you stop talking professionally and just level them into moving. This was specifically done due to issues where they wanted to quote gun rights, as though we're unaware.

3) Perhaps some morons aren't worth the trouble of exiting the vehicle for? IDK.

Fyp

Why do you feel the need to mock and disrespect open carriers? You admit yourself that they know the law extremely well and typically are the last ones to commit a crime. They might even step in and intervene when a cop isn't present. They seem like pretty much model citizens to me, why in the world is it that you want to give them such a hard time?

The class of law enforcement. It's pretty obvious from looking around for a second that you are a special class and are treated as such according to the law, society, and the criminal justice system as a whole.

I have read the thread and all I keep reading is that you love to mock OCers and you get off on it. Maybe just let them go about their business and look for some real crimes to stop? I mean that would seem to be the optimal thing. That is what you guys get paid to do, not shout down supporters of free speech. Or is it?

dont nit me DBJ...

I should be confined to the drunk thread by now, but this is the one I'm reading so deal with it.

In the town where my brother is a cop, there was a guy who used to make a point of dressing up in full SS regalia and hanging out around banks. Invariably, the police were called. Every time.

You know why he was doing it? Yeah, neither does anybody else. He was just being an *******, trying to make whatever stupid point he felt was important.

The end result is that people got alarmed, police time got wasted, and nothing happened. That guy was just a ****ing *******.

There's a moral in there somewhere. I think.

If I were a cop I would absolutely support open carrying. An OC has no element of surprise if he wants to ambush somebody, he is going to be immediately disarmed in any confrontation with law enforcement, and people are generally going to notice him before they notice anyone else. As cops I really think you should largely ignore these people, or even push OC more so we can have a safer and more respectable society. I think you just want an even greater monopoly on the use of force, but you seem too intelligent for that. Perhaps it is the police culture, driven by this lt, that has pushed you into this line of thinking.

There are also people in the hotel room next to me arguing in a language I can't identify. Should I call the police?

I really shoudl be in the drunk thread.

Let me clear up a little. I have a problem with OC activists. I don't have a particular issue with guys that just open carry and do so in a responsible manner.

It's the ones who have to create a big public spectacle of it and create disruption and panic.

As an aside, I have an issue with OCers carry guns openly in level I retention paddle holsters as well. I don't know you so I don't know if you really even know what I'm referring to with that. If not, disregard it.

Yeah you're right, this is perfectly equivalent to OCing on a city street or in a parking lot.

Except it's not. You're so apologetic to law enforcement it makes my head hurt.

pics of hotel room?

Gee, how good of you, someone who's supposed to serve and protect individuals, to have a problem with people politically demonstrating.

It seems to me these "OC activists" might simply be sick and tired of being detained and asked the same questions. This might be why they spent the time and effort learning what their rights are and choosing to defend said rights.

Am I a "4th amendment activist" because I do not consent to a search when my day is interrupted by a police stop?

Even if I am, don't you realize it should change absolutely nothing in how you address me as a law enforcement agent addressing a citizen?