Well, first of all, not everyone open carrying is detained.

Secondly, only a complete and total moron would tell a 911 caller over the phone "no laws are being broken" because you don't know, and in the police world, you will answer sooner or later for every word you say and statement you make. It all comes back.

I never said everyone open carrying gets detained,only when someone calls the police on them. If you or I are walking down the street with a weapon holstered and visible no laws are being broken. Am I wrong on that? I'm not an expert on the law,is a law being broken and is a police response required? Is it the same as someone calling the cops saying "there's a guy hanging around who looks suspicious"?

Yes, it's essentially exactly the same as a suspicious person call. It's handled the same too.

I've stopped and chatted briefly with many open carriers in my career and I've detained very few.

In general, if someone calls the police, they'll come.

Speaking of open carry, I've used this in various training courses:



That's the way I handle open carry, and the way I trained others to.

That's commendable and very professional

Sure, the cop could have been a lot worse, but I'd hardly point to that as a pinnacle of professionalism.

Look, there is a noted difference in people who open carry because they prefer it and people who open carry to prove a point.

Scene A) Guy gets out of his truck, at the gas station, wearing a GLOCK in a paddle holster. Buys a pack of smokes, leaves.

Scene B) Guy walking down the busiest road he can find, carrying a shiny gun in a shiny holster, moving in an unnatural position so his arm doesnt cover the gun, as is normal in a natural posture while carrying on the strong side hip.

Do you not see a huge difference in motives and, to a smaller extent mental state just based on the information I've provided you?

How do you believe situation B should've been handled? Just ignore him? Allow him to continue to disturb the public, create panic, disrupt traffic?

10+ 911 calls means someone should probably at least go talk to the guy, don't you agree?

Dbl was your post directed at me? If so I'll respond in a few minutes.

lol at thinking the police should ignore calls about wackos walking the streets openly displaying guns. People are going to be justifiably scared when some pony tailed RP fanboi is stalking the streets after some bad polling data gets release while sporting a .357 magnum.

People are going to be justifiably scared when some pony tailed RP fanboi is stalking the streets after some bad polling data gets release while sporting a .357 magnum.

Nice.

Again, not sure if this is directed at me but I certainly never said the bolded.

The bottom two questions were. Top was just a general opinion on the subject for whomevers consumption.

This sort of posting - I wish it would die.

I found it funny that CC assumes the public sees a man with long hair and a gun and immediately assumes "RP fanboi" lol

Me personally, I think ponytail and gun, I think PVN. Dunno why. No logical basis, just a subconscious thought I guess.

I guess I would like to have a gun on me in case my life were ever threatened but you never know if that's going to happen and it's a huge hassle and liability to carry a gun around all the time. And I'd probably have a hard time actually shooting someone even if they'd pulled a gun on me.

But the idea that you would want to carry around a gun so other people can see you have a gun - that's so bad.

or worse a black guy with a gun

Meh, I'm white. So I am not too worried about that stuff.

Long hair could mean anything. But in my experience pony tail is almost 100% indicator of libertarianism.

Ok I think these are the 2 questions you directed at me. If I missed one let me know and I'll pick it up.

I don't think it should be ignored. I don't have a problem with a cop approaching him and talking to him. It's perfectly fine with me if a cop (or anybody else for that matter) approaches somebody carrying a gun and asks them why they are carrying and having a polite conversation.


Yes, I agree.

DUDE really?

Dammit DBJ I can't believe I let you bait me into this AIDS infested tread, and that I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that abortion of a Terry Stop. I gotta run out but we will fight later.

I understand it can be a liable issue. Someone calls the cops because someone is open carrying,the cop says that's not against the law so I'll leave him alone,then a couple hours later he shoots someone,that would be bad. I personally have never heard of someone open carrying then using their gun to commit a crime,that's not to say it's never happened.

What are you discussing as wrong? The tactics or the legality of the search and clear?

If its the latter, I think I know where you're gonna go but I'll let you go there and show you how I'm right (legally).

OK I've watched it again and generally speaking your right its a half decent stop and towards the end the cop does very well. BUUUTTT.

First of all its CA and at the time of the video unloaded open carry was the only legal option aside from a concealed licence that basically noone could get. So what does the cop automatically know? This guy is making political statement or he's insane. So he just rolls up on him all haphazard and then after giving the guy ample time to open fire on him then decides that he needs to disarm him "for his safety". Now if the guy were going to shoot him he would have dropped his sloppy ass right away, therefore citizen is no danger to the cop. Secondly the guy cant even figure out how to clear the weapon after he sweeps the guy and passing traffic for a while he finally gets the slide back.

You know the law and alluded to it in your post above. State v Jones(here) and many other similar lawsuits say somthing like this.

Now your going to say that "plain view rules" negate all that since the gun was open carry or that the officer had a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

You gonna be wrong, if the guy were up to no good the pistol would have been concealed, or he would have opened fire right away while he had the drop on officer friendly.

Open Carry people are sometimes annoying and yeah the cop had to respond to the MWG still no reason for him to violate the 4th IMO

should have gone down like this:

after cop approaches from a tactically sound position instead of jumping out of his cruiser like hes running into the donut shop.

Officer Friendly: "Sir keep your hands where I can see them and away from the weapon"
OC tard: OK
OF: Sir we have been receiving calls about a man with a gun, do you intend anyone harm today?
OC: No sir I am just walking down the street, am I being detained?
OF: No I just wanted to check you out, and ask you nicely to consider your environment, I am not afraid of you or your gun but many people are. Its your right but maybe next time use more digression.
OC: am I free to go?
OF: Yes but realize that this is CA people here a ****ing ******ed and scared of guns, also Ronald Reagan and a buch of racists made carrying loaded guns illegal because they were scared of negros, you might as well open carry a hammer if your going to tote that thing like that.
OC: yabut I am exercising my rights and obeying the law.
OF: yes but the law made you a helpless target, have a nice day and be safe.

Yeah I don't see what stopping him actually accomplishes. And I don't understand why he asks for ID when he's clearly established that they guy isn't a loon.