Law and Order 2 - Page 233 - Politics and Economics

The cop that got fired started around 2015 or so and was making 16.54 an hour, that seems really low if you want to get quality officers. If we want to make officers accept some risk and not shoot first when they get scared maybe we should pay them a little more?

11-30-2018 , 02:10 PM

#5802

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Amazing. Cop goes undercover to subvert protesters, gets beaten up by other cops

11-30-2018 , 02:20 PM

#5803

stinkubus

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Missouri might be low key the most deplorable state in the union.

11-30-2018 , 03:38 PM

#5804

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Totally not expecting a conviction here but it's something I guess

11-30-2018 , 07:25 PM

#5805

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

Amazing. Cop goes undercover to subvert protesters, gets beaten up by other cops

It's gross that the only reason the cops here are in any trouble at all is because it turned out the guy they beat up was an undercover cop. The quotes from them about wanting to beat the **** out of protesters are way out there

From the reason article on it:

Quote:

"[L]et's whoop some ass," Myers wrote. "It's gonna get IGNORANT tonight," Boone responded. "But it's gonna be a lot of fun beating the hell out of these ****heads once the sun goes down and nobody can tell us apart." Two days later, Boone wrote to Myers that it's "a blast beating people that deserve it."

12-14-2018 , 12:51 PM

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Florida's Supreme Court rules that "Stand Your Ground" applies to cops.

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The Fourth District disagreed with Caamano and held that a police officer
making a lawful arrest may claim Stand Your Ground immunity and thereby
secure a pre-trial immunity determination, just like any other person acting in self defense

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/d.../sc17-1978.pdf

12-14-2018 , 01:17 PM

#5807

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Lol well gg black people

12-14-2018 , 01:23 PM

#5808

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Florida's Supreme Court rules that "Stand Your Ground" applies to cops.

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/d.../sc17-1978.pdf

Makes no sense that way. Obviously cops have always had stand your ground rights. This is only a story if people have the right to stand their ground when being unjustifiably threatened by police.

12-14-2018 , 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Makes no sense that way. Obviously cops have always had stand your ground rights. This is only a story if people have the right to stand their ground when being unjustifiably threatened by police.

The fallout is that cops won't even have to go on trial to be acquitted anymore. In Florida's SYG law if they find that you had a reasonable fear of your life before the trial then case is thrown out and you can't be criminally or civilly liable. So now instead of going to trial and saying you feared for your life and letting a jury decide (for the cop in most cases), they just have to clear a low hurdle before a judge before the trial and the judge tosses it and they're given civil and criminal immunity.

Lol at these paragraphs in the NYT about it

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In that earlier case, in 2012, the Second District Court of Appeal had rejected an officer’s attempt to use the law to avoid trial for stomping on a 63-year-old man. The officer, Juan Caamano, a former police officer in Haines City, south of Orlando, instead went to trial, but was acquitted.

Last year, two Miami police officers successfully invoked Stand Your Ground immunity when they were sued for damages in the beating of a man in a wheelchair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/u...olice.amp.html

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12-14-2018 , 01:41 PM

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I'm not saying it makes absolutely no difference, but mostly none. Mostly cops don't go to trial to get acquitted now. Mostly they aren't charged.

12-19-2018 , 05:47 PM

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A Florida lawyer representing 15 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High students says he is "exploring all of our options" after a federal judge ruled that law enforcement and school officials had no legal duty to protect students during a Valentine's Day rampage at the school that left 17 people dead.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/2360683002/

12-19-2018 , 06:19 PM

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I am fine with that ruling if all police cars change their decals to "no legal duty to serve or protect".

12-20-2018 , 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

I am fine with that ruling if all police cars change their decals to "no legal duty to serve or protect".

Actually, when I was in FL last year, I noticed that the decal on cop cars said, "To serve and patrol". I kid you not!

12-21-2018 , 08:08 PM

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SACHA BARON COHEN’S ‘WHO IS AMERICA?’ DELETED SCENE MAY HAVE EXPOSED ELITE PEDOPHILE SEX RING

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...Baron Cohen’s most shocking encounter came when, in character as Italian playboy Gio Monaldo, he convinced a concierge to help him find an underaged boy to molest.

“We wanted to investigate how does someone like Harvey Weinstein gets away with doing what…get away with criminality, essentially. And the network that surrounds him. We decided that Gio would interview a concierge in Las Vegas,” Baron Cohen describes.

During the interview, believing the admission would drive the concierge from the room, Baron Cohen, as Gio, reveals that he’s molested an eight-year-old boy.

“This guy starts advising Gio how to get rid of this issue. We even at one point talk about murdering the boy, and the concierge is just saying, ‘well, listen, I’m really sorry. In this country, we can’t just drown the boy. This is America we don’t do that,’” Baron Cohen describes.

After the concierge offers to put Gio in touch with a lawyer who can help “silence the boy,” Baron Cohen asked for his help securing a date for the night.

“He says, ‘what do you mean, a date?’ I go, you know, like a young man. He says, ‘well, what kind of age?’ I say, lower than Bar Mitzvah but older than eight. And he says, ‘yeah, I can put you in touch with somebody who can get you some boys like that.’”

Rather than airing the segment, Baron Cohen and his production team turned the footage over to the FBI, “because we thought, perhaps there’s a pedophile ring in Las Vegas that’s operating for these very wealthy men. And this concierge had said that he’d worked for politicians and various billionaires.”

While Baron Cohen judged the interview too “dark” and “extreme” to be included in the show, it’s a revealing look at how the powerful can get away with decades-long sexual abuse, including pedophile sexual abuse, such as in the massive cover-up of the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein, orchestrated by President Trump’s Labor Secretary, Alexander Acosta.

According to Baron Cohen, the FBI decided against pursuing the tip.

I know DVaut and others recently talked about how pizzagate is real but here's some more evidence pointing towards rich people having an underground pedophile ring

12-21-2018 , 08:10 PM

#5815

kerowo

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Just to clarify, do they do it in a pizza shop in DC and refer to it using pizza slang?

12-28-2018 , 11:17 AM

#5816

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Amazingly, this guy didn't get shot

https://www.oregonlive.com/business/...-in-lobby.html

01-04-2019 , 12:36 PM

#5817

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https://twitter.com/davidminpdx/stat...711918593?s=19

This is a good first day for the new prosecutor in saint Louis. Especially firing the Mike brown da. Do your job.

01-09-2019 , 01:55 PM

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Deputy had oral sex with staffer at Multnomah County Courthouse, dated a judge, report says

And of course

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Detectives Robert Rookhuyzen and Chuck Anderson forwarded the report to prosecutors at the Oregon Department of Justice, asking them to consider charges of official misconduct.

Kristina Edmunson, a department spokeswoman, declined to comment about the decision not to file official misconduct charges or whether government employees engaging in sex acts in the courthouse is illegal.

Because, you know, Law & Order

01-21-2019 , 12:16 PM

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So this happened:

1. Man is (wrongfully) arrested for murder
2. Prosecutor in the case withholds key exculpatory evidence
3. Man is (wrongfully) convicted, sentenced to death, spends 10 years on death row
4. Man's (wrongful) conviction finally overturned
5. State bar association has no issue with what prosecutor did, per his attorney

Thread

We're not gonna police the police so I guess it should come as no surprise that we won't police prosecutors either

01-21-2019 , 12:55 PM

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that **** happens all the time..

at the DA office i worked at, one of my "colleagues" induced a plea on a public defender client through lying to the court of a witnesses status and intention. the witness had recanted the story, and refused to show up to court, the ada told the court and the defense that the witness was there and ready to testify and that if the witness came down all thoughts of plea agreements were gone.

the guy weighed the option of being in custody for another few months if not a year awaiting trial vs taking a probation plea deal and being able to get out and work and support his family and took the plea..

the public defender eventually found out that the ADA had been withholding evidence and lying to the court about the witness and the entire DA office saw nothing wrong with what the ada did and the office supported the ada in the bar proceedings.

eta- everyone at the office thought it was just a good "bluff". lying about witness testimony and not handing over exculpatory statements and evidence...

01-21-2019 , 01:00 PM

#5821

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The prosecutor should be charged with attempted murder. I am not exaggerating.

01-21-2019 , 01:04 PM

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I don't think this take is that hot around here, but police and prosecutors intentionally lying to get a conviction are essentially kidnapping someone for however long they are locked up and should be treated like kidnappers.

01-21-2019 , 01:05 PM

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Slow pony.

01-25-2019 , 05:54 PM

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Something really ****ing weird happened in St. Louis that wound up with cops shooting and killing a 24-year old female cop

- 3 cops - two 29 year old men were supposed to be on duty at the time, and the woman who was off-duty and got killed - were at the house of one of the men at 1am
- the victim was married to another STL cop, who was not present at the time
- an "accidental gun discharge" happened and the woman got shot in the chest
- the two cops race her to the hospital
- other random facts suggest something really weird happened:

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Alix was pronounced dead at the hospital. For reasons police have yet to explain, the shooter was also hospitalized soon afterward, according to the Post-Dispatch.

Adding to the mystery, a white police SUV sat outside the hospital surrounded by crime tape with a window busted out. Shattered glass littered the pavement nearby, video from the hospital showed. Hayden declined to answer questions about how that detail fit into the shooting, telling reporters “all that will be part of the investigation.”