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I guess they couldn't prove that the attack was premeditated to get first-degree murder in the minds of the jurors.

Regardless, he's going away for life. Guess cops are only batting .999 in cases of shooting black people and getting away with it now.

I believe a lawyer on the local news here in Chicago was saying something to the lines of that he will only face 6-30 years (judge will most likely have the charges run concurrent) and most likely be sentenced to 6-12 so he probably won’t be going away for life. Not sure how correct that is though

10-05-2018 , 07:10 PM

#5777

kerowo

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Imagine how ****ty this one cop has to feel seeing all the other cops get off for murdering black people.

Good, **** him.

10-05-2018 , 07:55 PM

#5778

SuperUberBob

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Six years? How is that possible? I mean if he sentenced to 6 years, he probably serves 3 years because of parole.

10-12-2018 , 04:02 PM

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SFPD accused of discrimination in stepping up enforcement on a hip-hop, mostly black nightclub

The 2-3 blocks on Broadway on which this club resides are just a total dumpster fire of trashy nightclubs and strip clubs, but cops singled this one out for...reasons?

First, they appear to have fabricated (?!) a fight that supposedly took place in the club with guns and ****:

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To hear San Francisco police tell it, Dec. 13, 2014 was a terrifying night inside North Beach nightclub Hue.

According to statements and letters from command staff at Central Station, it began when multiple fights roiled the largest dance club on a bustling block of Broadway. At the center of the action was a woman in white. And then things escalated: two combatants, both of them reported as black men, brandished concealed firearms. Hue erupted in shouts of “They got guns!”

But none of the club staff or security working that night could remember any of it. Hue owner Bennett Montoya didn’t find any evidence of the brawling and gun waving on security footage. An Entertainment Commission inspector from City Hall concluded that the incidents, which police said warranted stiff penalties, didn't happen. And then the police witness’ recollection fell apart under oath, with a judge striking his testimony from the record.

The state ABC largely agreed that the club was unfairly targeted:

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Yet a July 2018 ABC Appeals Board decision [PDF] supports Montoya’s view that police have unfairly targeted Hue, laying all of the problems of a bacchanalian block on the doorstep of one of the city’s few remaining hip-hop clubs. Evidence presented at the hearing, the board wrote, established that Hue was “singled out for unique surveillance and enforcement” and blamed for “more than its fair share” of incidents on the block, and that the treatment resulted from “the desire of [former Central Station Captain David Lazar] and the SFPD to reduce African-American patronage of [Hue] by eliminating hip-hop music.”

That decision, which is being appealed, comes after the appeals board dismissed more than 90 percent of 52 total police reports of violence and crime at Hue, deeming them insubstantial as evidence. But it’s of little relief to Montoya, whose entertainment hours were limited last June to midnight, instead of 2am, by the Entertainment Commission. Montoya objects to the commission continuing to act on police reports judged unreliable and of “discriminatory design” in the ABC case, and his suit seeks to recover the hundreds of thousands he’s spent defending his business.

The cop in charge seems pretty openly racist, so naturally he's been promoted to head of community engagement

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Montoya said Hue has been singled out because the club doesn't conform to the tempered vision of Broadway shared by local business interests as well as the police. He recalled how Central Station captain Lazar repeatedly told him that Hue attracts “the wrong crowd—a crowd we don’t want,” a comment corroborated in the ABC hearing by former CBD head Benjamin Horne. (Lazar, who’s since been promoted to commander of the department’s Community Engagement Division, didn’t respond to an interview request.)

BONUS POKER REFERENCE

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“At this point I’m all in,” Montoya said, likening the showdown to poker. “I can’t fold.”

10-12-2018 , 04:40 PM

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From further reading, the chemist involved in tampering with the samples was herself a drug addict who stole drug samples from evidence; she got 18 months in prison, for disrupting thousands of lives with wrongful detours through the criminal justice system

10-16-2018 , 05:04 PM

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DNA evidence exonerates man convicted of murder 20 years ago

Pretty wild: wife is cheating on husband, husband killed her and framed it on her lover

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At first, police believed all evidence pointed to Cheek’s lover and co-worker, Horace Roberts. The truck parked at the scene was his. The Lorus wristwatch found next to Cheek’s body appeared to be his, too. And when police confronted him about his secretive affair with Cheek, a married mother of two, he lied to cover it up.

Prosecutors’ theory was simple: Roberts killed Cheek because she threatened to end their relationship — and he clumsily left his belongings at the crime scene.

“What is more compelling than [Roberts’s] watch that’s found next to the murdered woman’s body?” a Riverside County prosecutor said during closing arguments in July 1999. “There’s nothing more compelling than that.”

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Roberts was fully exonerated Monday after spending nearly 20 years in prison for second-degree murder. At a news conference Monday, the Riverside County District Attorney’s Office revealed that DNA testing led investigators to the two suspects prosecutors now believe are responsible for Cheek’s killing: Her husband, Googie Harris, and her nephew, Joaquin Leal.

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Justin Brooks, director of the California Innocence Project, said Roberts was the victim of a “setup” by Cheek’s jealous husband, who he believes fabricated the evidence that led police directly to Roberts. Harris even testified against Roberts at each of his three jury trials, Brooks said, and later showed up at Roberts’s parole hearings to oppose his release from prison. Roberts’s first two trials resulted in hung juries. He was convicted at the third in 1999 and sentenced to 15 years to life.

This kinda makes it seem easy to frame someone for a crime

10-16-2018 , 08:04 PM

#5782

kerowo

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Husband must have had a better alibi than the lover and told a better story, we'll definitely be seeing this on Law and Order.

10-16-2018 , 11:43 PM

#5783

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i mean all these detective shows do a really good job of making it seem like crime scene investigators are an elite bunch of highly specialized and trained scientists who will find any speck of DNA that might be left at a crime scene and know exactly what to do with it

especially in small town america, this could not be farther from the truth. would be very easy to kill some people and get away with it if you're smart about it. many people in america successfully doing this right now, in fact (no, i've never killed anyone).

10-17-2018 , 12:45 AM

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Didn't they have DNA testing in 1999? Oh why bother, he left his watch next to the dead body. I'm sure we can all relate, with our watches constantly falling off all the time.

10-17-2018 , 10:20 AM

#5785

kerowo

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If the prosecutor thought they had enough without the DNA they may have saved the money on sending it to a lab?

10-17-2018 , 10:41 AM

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Louis Cyphre

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It's a problem if the prosecutor is more interested in saving money or acquiring a conviction than determining the truth.

10-17-2018 , 11:50 AM

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kerowo

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I don't disagree, I'm suggesting there may be non-incompetitance reasons for not running the DNA.

10-17-2018 , 01:19 PM

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I'm ignorant of how that all works, but wouldn't the defense attorney push for DNA testing?

10-18-2018 , 03:10 PM

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10-25-2018 , 12:55 PM

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money shots are at like a minute into this video.

so thislocal northeast ohio (euclid) policeman who was on video absolutely pummeling a handcuffed guy on the ground got his job back a few days ago. arbitrator/judge said "there was no reason for his dismissal." I guess it was kind of amazing he actually got fired in the first place.

well, the video is obv. but since 2014 he had been reprimanded for striking a motorist with his gun, losing evidence, yelling at his superiors, and getting in 2 accidencents in his police vehicle.

11-07-2018 , 01:55 PM

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https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...031-story.html

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Prosecutors abruptly dropped all charges Monday against Clemente Aguirre-Jarquin, a former death row inmate who was standing trial for a second time in two brutal Seminole County murders.

Aguirre-Jarquin spent nearly 15 years behind bars — including 10 on death row — for the 2004 stabbing deaths of Cheryl Williams and Carol Bareis in Altamonte Springs.

The decision by State Attorney Phil Archer’s office to drop the case came two years after the Florida Supreme Court overturned Aguirre-Jarquin’s conviction based on repeated confessions to the crimes by Samantha Williams, Cheryl Williams’ daughter and Bareis’ granddaughter — and days after new testimony surfaced that undermined her alibi.

-Wrongly convicted of murder
-Sentenced to death
-Spends 15 years behind bars, including 10 on death row
-Someone else confesses to the murders
-State waits TWO YEARS to grant a new trial
-State drops charges

Now he gets to be deported

11-28-2018 , 02:16 PM

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11-29-2018 , 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

they turned down a 2yr probation plea deal? wtf was that discussion like. "well lets just take you to the all white south texas jury, im sure nothing will go wrong.."

11-29-2018 , 02:32 PM

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Ortega ... is eligible — under Texas parole law for this type of offense — to receive good time, work credits and bonus time, making her potentially eligible for parole in less than 12 months.

she probably figured it was worth the risk to avoid deportation

11-29-2018 , 11:11 PM

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Elbow Jobertski

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Originally Posted by Slighted

they turned down a 2yr probation plea deal? wtf was that discussion like. "well lets just take you to the all white south texas jury, im sure nothing will go wrong.."

That they offered her that and then gave her eight years for going to trial isn't exactly something for system to be proud of either.

That's a bit much, especially in a case where it isn't like the state was put out much or a traumatized witness had to testify or anything.

11-30-2018 , 01:07 AM

#5796

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Link

Cop is fired for not shooting someone. He correctly identifies a "suicide by cop" situation and a second cop late to the scene decides to start firing, misses three times, and then headshots the guy (should be shooting center mass, so more or less a 4th miss). First cop is faulted for not just immediately killing the guy and all sorts of shady things happen.

11-30-2018 , 02:06 AM

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kerowo

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Great article.

11-30-2018 , 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Elbow Jobertski

It's good to see ProPublica do follow ups on stories. The cop that got fired seemed extremely decent. The cliffs are there were two implicit theories why the guy got fired. First was the city didn't want the liability of the family suing the guy who did shoot and then pointing out the cop who didn't as acting responsibly, and the second one that I have personally, is that multiple officers said they didn't want to patrol with him and the police chief fired him out of solidarity with the rest of police force. The ACLU actually took the cops case because they didn't want the incentives to line up so that shooting as soon as possible was the best way to go for a police officer.

The irony in the story is that the guy is now a Military Police in the National Guard. The kicker at the end of the story is that the family messaged the guy on facebook and he responded back that he wished he could have had a few more seconds (before the other cops showed up) to help the guy who got shot and he was sorry for their loss, which was a punch in the gut because early in the story the victim's family was complaining that no one at the police department would talk to them sympathetically.

11-30-2018 , 02:44 AM

#5799

Elbow Jobertski

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Great article.

I'm curious to see what effect this article has on things around here. My wild guess is nobody notices it or at least everyone tries like heck to ignore it and/or whine that the pictures make the town look more sad than it really is. (they don't)

It's going to be real hard for me not to rib that prosecutor about that photo where he tries to look all important but there is that Pittsburgh Steeler nerf basketball hoop scotch-taped to the wall behind him.

Who am I kidding. That's happening tomorrow.

11-30-2018 , 03:00 AM

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Elbow Jobertski

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

More the second. That department has all sorts of problems finding officers so the people running the show have basically zero control over the troops. Some of the stuff I've seen in court is just sad. A public defender office should never have a 90% winning percentage.

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