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They're human beings. Sometimes when someone doesn't do exactly what they want right away they just start punching them in the face over and over. Just human beings who aren't perfect.

06-06-2018 , 04:12 PM

#5702

fatboy8

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Well sure, it looks bad now. But surely once the unaltered, perfectly intelligible audio is released we'll see that he was telling his friend on the phone that he had to go because he was about to "**** up the mother****ing police officers." Then the police can just claim self defense.

06-06-2018 , 04:36 PM

#5703

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Originally Posted by uDevil

That incident is in my area. Extended video at link- worth watching the last 20 sec for extra wtf factor. Police chief:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/...video-10477416

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When officers get him on his feet, one officer shoves Johnson's head brutally into an elevator door.

This isn't soft peddling it. From the video the run his head into the elevator door at a pretty good velocity and then pushed it into the corner as the elevator kept open and closing on his face.

Well let's check in to see what heinous crime he got charged with to merit such violence

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Johnson was later charged with disorderly conduct and hindering, according to ABC News.

What are the odds that they'll get dropped?

06-06-2018 , 04:54 PM

#5704

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Originally Posted by fatboy8

That was a phone? Looked like a gun to me.

06-06-2018 , 05:50 PM

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The same PD was responsible for the killing of Daniel Shaver. I hadn't seen the bodycam video until today. It's horrific.

06-06-2018 , 07:58 PM

#5706

Huehuecoyotl

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Yes the infamous wall squat fight mode position

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06-06-2018 , 10:44 PM

#5707

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Why the **** are there so many cops there? And he's not even really squatting - he's in a super unbalanced position with zero weapons other than his gunphone

06-08-2018 , 05:45 PM

#5708

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My favorite part about the hallway video is the 60 year old white haired cop throwing punches in there as well like he's doing something.

06-15-2018 , 12:11 AM

#5709

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Also Mesa PD (short video at link):

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The Mesa, Arizona, Police Department, already under scrutiny over allegations of excessive force, says it's reviewing another controversial arrest and video -- the latest showing an officer repeatedly punching an unarmed man who was later mocked by an officer as he lies on a hospital floor covered in blood.

The emergence of bodycam video from a January arrest comes after Mesa police released videos last week showing the arrest of a teenager, who at times screamed in pain while being searched.

Not mentioned, there was also an incident where they took down an 84 yo grandmother.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/us/me...deo/index.html

06-15-2018 , 08:48 AM

#5710

stinkubus

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Jesus Arizona is just a ****ing **** show.

07-19-2018 , 06:33 PM

#5711

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07-23-2018 , 06:23 PM

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https://apnews.com/bbd42bbc85ef49bd8ac52ff289b82f42

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The chase began around 2 a.m. Sunday after a red truck was seen leaving a parking lot where gunshots had been reported. At a press conference Sunday, Washington State Patrol District Commander Ron Mead blamed the suspect for Moreno’s death.

The Washington State Patrol’s preliminary investigation indicates that Moreno had deployed spike strips at an intersection Sunday to slow the suspect. He was on foot when he was struck by the patrol car

over aggressive police action kills another cop. quick better blame the guy who may or may not have been involved in any crime other than eluding for running over your own officer in the street..

im sure they are going to try for a felony murder charge..

07-24-2018 , 01:55 PM

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Haven't heard from LAPD in a while

07-24-2018 , 03:16 PM

#5714

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Originally Posted by Namath12

Haven't heard from LAPD in a while

I have no idea what happened here or the story, but does anyone know the protocol for police if they're being fired upon while the gunman is using a hostage as a human shield?

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07-24-2018 , 03:26 PM

#5715

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Most cops are trained not to shoot unless the hostage taker lets his guard down. I have heard of trained snipers taking them out though.

07-26-2018 , 01:49 AM

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Thus, the essence of community-based policing (ordinary citizens having more daily contact with police) is little more than authoritarianism with a smiley face. Instead, we should seek to minimize the amount of interactions that people must have with cops. Traffic stops are a prime example. This is the most common scenario for a police-citizen encounter, and cops have been trained to approach each one as a potential ambush. Traffic stops frighten everybody and serve the best interests of nobody except municipal accountants. Every time a cop pulls someone over—or has any interaction with anyone at all, for that matter—the chances of violence skyrocket.

It seems obvious but I'd never thought "what if we just decriminalized tons of dumb traffic violations that no one gives a **** about".

07-27-2018 , 10:05 AM

#5717

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Cnn just published an opinion piece by ****ing James Gagliano saying the cops acted totally fine in that Trader Joe's incident. If you watch the footage they open fire from across the street into the entrance of a ****ing grocery store as the suspect runs in.

07-27-2018 , 11:00 AM

#5718

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Article from January: The Nice Cop, written by someone who grew up with Jeronimo Yanez, the cop who shot Philando Castile. It asks the question: how did this system turn the nicest kid I grew up with into a murderer?

Towards the end, a really good point:

It seems obvious but I'd never thought "what if we just decriminalized tons of dumb traffic violations that no one gives a **** about".

I don't think traffic stops are a big tenet of community policing. Mixing up "broken windows" with "community policing" maybe.

07-27-2018 , 02:04 PM

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07-30-2018 , 01:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Towards the end, a really good point:

It seems obvious but I'd never thought "what if we just decriminalized tons of dumb traffic violations that no one gives a **** about".

A lot of cities/towns would have to find new revenue streams?

07-30-2018 , 01:19 AM

#5721

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From my neck of the WV Trumpian woods:

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BETHANY — A Brooke County sheriff’s deputy came away from a “full-out fight” with a broken nose, fractured sinus, busted glasses and a lot of bumps and bruises, but she also said it could have been a lot worse.

Kristen Richmond was one of two deputies injured when the sheriff’s office responded to a call for a man bleeding and throwing things out of a third floor window at a Bethany College dormitory early Friday morning. Later that night, she took to social media and identified herself to tell her side of the story, while the sheriff’s office and the college also issued official statements about the events. The other officers involved in the incident were not identified.

“While fighting with this guy, he reached for my duty weapon,” Richmond said in a post she wrote on Facebook that had been shared more than 82,000 times by Saturday evening. “Given the circumstances (full details are not being disclosed in this post), deadly force was warranted and it was probably getting close to my last resort. Thankfully, it did not reach that point.”

Nobody got shot, and none of the reports go out of their way to point out the guy was black. He was also an athlete, and from the pictures on his facebook he was physically imposing. A bunch of deputies got the crap beat out of themselves rather than just shooting a athletic muscular black man who was obviously out of his mind.

It can be done when there is a culture in specific law enforcement agencies that this is the job: you take a beating sometimes. That's where the respect gets earned.

07-30-2018 , 01:51 AM

#5722

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Originally Posted by Elbow Jobertski

A lot of cities/towns would have to find new revenue streams?

Good! If writing traffic citations is a major revenue source for your municipality, that's pretty ****ing perverse!

07-30-2018 , 07:42 AM

#5723

Elbow Jobertski

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Good! If writing traffic citations is a major revenue source for your municipality, that's pretty ****ing perverse!

Yes, yes it is. Worse when that municipality does things like jail poor people for contempt of court w/o hearing or counsel for unpaid fines and sets a cash bond at the amount of what is owed.

Some people call it tough law enforcement. Others call it extorting the family and friends to pay off someone else's debt else they feel bad about letting a broke friend rot in jail over running a stop sign while having a broken taillight.

Good people on both sides, etc.

07-30-2018 , 10:07 AM

#5724

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Originally Posted by Elbow Jobertski

this girl i was sleeping with awhile ago called me at like 10:30pm one night near christmas and said one of the local outside the city municipalities had jailed her and asked me if i could come bail her out for 163 dollars for a traffic citation that was almost 10 years old. she had been pulled over and not cited by a different municipality, but this one had a warrant out on her and demanded she be arrested and transported across the city. They were really going to keep a single mother in jail over Christmas for a ten year old traffic ticket.

good people.

07-30-2018 , 11:00 AM

#5725

stinkubus

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Bog standard. That's America for you. Revenue must be maximized. I'm sure the fact they booked her ended up adding another hundo or two to the bill.

In my area now if you call to make a complaint through the non-emergency line the police won't even talk to you unless you provide your own SSN so that they can check you for warrants.

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