Question is vague.

I'm not. Why do you keep exaggerating it?

Closer to the latter.

Here's some evidence apparently not yet entered into your records: the cops always lie.

Do you think this goes down like it did in The Netherlands? If not, which way do you think is better?

LOL charged? Where the **** are you reading that? Everything I read said the guy was walking towards the cops and was 15+ feet away when he was shot.

He didn't read it anywhere. He's making it up.

He's trying to add hypotheticals to make it clear that, although the cops may have jumped the gun here, we have to wait for the facts, weren't in the officer's shoes, and sometimes they really do need to shoot people holding long cylindical objects.

I think US culture is more combative generally than our European counterparts, and I think a lot of this plays into police attitudes about how they need to behave in response. I don't think Europe has the same degree of with violent crime as we do, and I do believe that Europe has a more tightly-woven social net / sense of community. In this sense, are victims of our (relatively) extreme individualism.



No, the cops should not shoot-on-sight anyone carrying a perceived weapon - but again, let's not play fast-and-loose with the facts of the narrative. IF the guy was charging the cop with a pipe, the cop reasonably would have anticipated imminent harm.

This would be a pretty easy no bueno.

this is an example of an attitude that fosters hostility BY the police just as it does towards them


I am a criminal defense attorney.

I have seen cops lie. I have seen cops tell the truth. A lot of cops are really good people trying to do the right thing, sometimes poorly trained. A lot of cops are complete *******s who get off ****ing people over.

Then they should quit.

Violent crime and non violent crime are about the same throughout European countries and the US now. The US has a much higher homicide rate, particularly gun homicide but why that is should be self explanatory.

I don't have statistics, just perceptions, and they are definitely skewed. I did poke around a little bit and noticed that the US defines "violent crime" much more narrowly than Europe, but the thrust of that argument was our individualistic culture vs Europe's more social/communalistic one, which I base on my experiences traveling in Europe and conversations with people here from Europe, plus some academic things I've read like Beyond Paradise and Power.

Is there celebration of the rugged individual in European culture? Something like our Wild West fetish?

How criminal justice works in a police state.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...levant/534171/

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that the liberal/centrist notions that institutions and procedures can be rationally designed with checks, balances, oversight, responsibility which will lead to the most just outcomes where the failures are anomalies whose eventual discovery is evidence of the system working is the ultimate in the Utopian thinking that the liberal-centrists claim to revile. When I look up lists of great propaganda films, I don't find 12 Angry Men, but it should probably be up there.

Uh,read my account and reply to 5ive.

Not going to argue with you about him shooting a tard, ofc one cop overreacted, that's why you don't do anything to set them off, wait until your day in court to try and defend yourself, don't do anything stupid,it only gets you killed.









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What part of "Doing something stupid should not carry a death sentence, ever, especially since it does not seem to carry one for white people!" don't you understand?

Yeah, and I'm probably not going to get shot by the police, but that doesn't mean the cop isn't a murderer. I don't go up to Mafia dudes, street gangs, or Hell's Angels and do anything to set them off either.

And I'm not really clear on whether you live in the neighborhood or just your co-worker or both of you or what. It seems pretty easy for you to just answer clearly.

That guy really should have been more responsible. He has no one else to blame for being mentally handicapped and deaf!

Oh I agree, but the law is always going to favor the cop.

Knowing that, that's the reason you don't try to make life and death decisions on the street with them.

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And the electrician has every right to run away from the dog. Because he's not the dogcatcher, he's the electrician.

You people just like fundamentally don't get how any of this is supposed to work.

Fair question.

But see, this is where you're supposed to pause, not...



... quadruple down.

Sure, and if your parents had made better decisions you wouldn't be here posting right now. But here you are.

Everything is preventable. It's trivial and redundant to even mention it.

Lol, your funny.

Cop lover....

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No, you.

This is hilarious,I'm being insulted by a guy who wasn't there, and for my views and we are both saying cops are out of control.


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Your "IF" scenario has already been addressed. Agree or disagree, but don't act like it didn't happen literally a handful of posts before this latest bit of daily derp. That's just vulgar.

It's unseemly to insult somebody's English as you never know if it's their 2nd or 3rd or nth language, but I gotta break my rule considering this specific context. There's no Oklahoman dialect I'm aware of.

Are you friggin serious? Do you even Oklahoma, bro?

We have a ton,white trash,blacks, Mexicans and throw in the 39 Indian tribes and we got dialects out the wazoo.



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